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As to videos of Camping's followers, here are some of Robert Fitzpatrick, author of "The Doomsday Code" which predicted a May 21st Judgement Day. He seems genuinely confused by the non-situation on Times Square 5/21/11. Can't find anything after 10/21/11 again perhaps someone with more skillz can...
Bill Allan, AKA witnessofthetruth, appears to be a prominent advocate for Camping's crap on Youtube, with many videos posted. I can't find any posted after 10/21/11 - I saw a note claiming he deleted many videos, but perhaps someone with more skillz can dig this up.
Here's his Facebook page, where the only statement made after 10/21/11 is the following. I sent him a message asking if he is going to comment on 10/21/11. You might do so as well, I'd like to hear what some of these folks are thinking now...
The hand picked born again Elect, whoever they are, are eternally secure, no matter where they are today, or when in history they lived. The non-elect, have no cover for their sin debt, and never will. God's Word is Absolute Truth, even if we don't understand it!!
Bill Allan (witnessofthetruth) responded to my request to comment on 10/21/11, but he merely repeats in more detail:
Romans 10:17 declares Christ cometh by HEARING the Word of God. All any of us could ever do was to hear the Word of God. God handles the rest. Either to redeem us or condemn us, based on His Soverign Election process before the world began (Eph 1:4-5; II Tim 1:9: etc). No matter what happens on any given day, the hand picked born again Elect, scattered across human history from every nation, are eternally secure in the Kingdom of God. The non-elect, are condemed to everlasting destruction without remedy.
So I responded as follows, maybe that will get a rise out of him...
Unfortunately, due to your poor understanding of Scripture, ridiculous predictions about 5/21/11 and 10/21/11, and unwillingness to confront those failures (and many others), you are part of the Non-Elect. Enjoy eternity.
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When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood.
Isaiah 1:15
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 21: 23 - 25
SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. (AP) — A Northern California preacher who spent millions last year to publicize his message of impending global destruction has for the first time acknowledged his apocalyptic prophecy was wrong.
In a letter posted on his independent ministry's site on Thursday, 90-year-old Harold Camping told his followers he has no evidence the world will end anytime soon, and he isn't interested in considering future dates.
"We realize that many people are hoping they will know the date of Christ's return," Camping wrote. "We humbly acknowledge we were wrong about the timing."
Camping's Family Radio International continues its broadcasts from the nonprofit's headquarters in a squat building near the Oakland airport. In recent years, the organization spent millions of dollars — some of it from donations made by followers — putting up thousands of billboards plastered with the Judgment Day message.
After global cataclysm didn't occur on May 21 as he had originally forecast, Camping revised his prophecy, saying he had been off by five months.
Followers were crestfallen in May when the Rapture did not occur, particularly those who had quit their jobs or donated some of their retirement savings or college funds for the more than 5,000 billboards and 20 RVs plastered with the Judgment Day message.
Camping was later hospitalized after suffering a mild stroke, but continued spreading the word that natural disasters would destroy the globe through his website and his weekly "Open Forum" radio show.
Thursday, Camping alerted his flock that he had stopped looking for new dates, and would concentrate on deepening his faith through rereading the Scriptures.
"God has humbled us through the events of May 21," he wrote. "We must also openly acknowledge that we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world. Though many dates are circulating, Family Radio has no interest in even considering another date."
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It is a little sad to see this old man facing the reality that Jesus isn't coming any time soon. This was serious stuff to him and I don't doubt that he believed his own math and predictions with his whole being. I never like to see dreams get crushed.
It is even sadder to know that the problem here isn't with his understanding or interpretation of the Bible. The problem is the Bible is fiction written by numerous people decades after Jesus died...assuming Jesus even existed. The problem is God is a myth and Jesus returning is a part of that myth.
I think you're right. Camping was probably convinced of his math and logic and this wasn't some elaborate money making scheme. What's embarrassing is to go back to former youtube videos and taped family radio programs and have to watch yourself strike out at non-believers in this rapture with a vengeance. And then have to reflect on the fact that all of the vengeance and zeal was all for naught...
Thursday, Camping alerted his flock that he had stopped looking for new dates, and would concentrate on deepening his faith through rereading the Scriptures.
"God has humbled us through the events of May 21," he wrote. "We must also openly acknowledge that we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world. Though many dates are circulating, Family Radio has no interest in even considering another date."
... and then, by chance, did he give everybody back the tens of millions of dollars he squandered on this bull pucky?
I have no sympathy for this man. He has ruined lives.
In the absence of God, I found Man.
-Guillermo Del Torro
Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?
Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?
Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?
Agreed, 100%. Without a doubt, one of the most useless predators on the planet. Whether he was actually sincere or delusional doesn't help much. After numerous episodes of chasing windmills he is forced to resign in madness to his hut, as his fabled Dulcinea has turned her mirror away from him....trouble is, his story lacked humor.
Don't even get me started on the other charlatans in his class...such as Pat Robertson...