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Is Bill Nye really a "science guy" ?

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Flann 5 wrote:One of the main arguments against man made global warming is that historically co2 increases in the atmosphere have followed not preceded periods of warming. I would be interested to hear a response to this argument from those who hold to man made global warming.
Hi Flann, that is easy. Natural climate change is driven by earth’s orbital cycles. When northern summer is at perihelion, closest to the sun, the snow that fell in winter melts and glaciers retreat. When northern summer is at aphelion, furthest from the sun, the snow that fell in winter does not melt, and glaciers advance. This is called the Milankovitch Cycle. Now, when the orbital warming or cooling factor gets going, it produces other impacts, such as albedo, or whiteness. When there is lots of snow the earth reflects more sunlight and gets colder, and vice versa. Also, it affects the ocean carbon cycle.

http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2 ... te-system/ is a very good simple science article you can read to get more detail. It states that “Initial temperature changes at the beginnings and ends of ice ages are caused by changes in orbital forcings. These temperature changes have effects on the natural carbon, nitrogen, and methane cycles. In particular, initial warming reduces ocean uptake of atmospheric carbon (because warmer water can absorb less CO2 from the atmosphere), and warmer temperatures increase the decay rate of vegetative matter. Similarly, cooling at the start of an ice age increases ocean uptake and reduces emissions from vegetative decay.”

That is why in natural climate change the CO2 increase comes after orbital warming. Our current addition of ten gigatonnes of carbon every year is producing the same warming feedback loop over decades which over previous geological time scales took thousands of years.
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I listened to this story from Glacier National Park yesterday. They were saying the glaciers are thinning rapidly and we've already passed a tipping point where they cannot recover. The glaciers in this national park are gonna be gone...
(Story is 7 minutes, but above info is in first 2.)
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/06/476993975 ... ate-change
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This thread is quickly being changed into a climate change topic.
Robert is blowing smoke signals.
The thread is about Nye and his fraudulent impersonation of a real scientist.
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ant wrote:This thread is quickly being changed into a climate change topic.
Robert is blowing smoke signals.
The thread is about Nye and his fraudulent impersonation of a real scientist.
That's true ant,but Nye seems to take strong public positions on things like global warming. It would be foolish to say that increases in co2 have no effect on the climate, but the sun seems to be the big influence on climate.

Nye has also taken the line that 'climate change' encourages terrorism! The implications of his argument are that global warming sceptics are guilty by default of promoting terrorism.
This is not science at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kgIHxkMS8

What is striking is the increasing loss of faith of many of the public in the scientific establishment and their pronouncements.

Nye is quite prepared to debate specialists who question the polemic, even when he knows less than they do.
For example; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McsZ1U20W0M

If Nye wants to entertain us by publicly betting on the weather setting record highs this year and for the coming decade he might like to challenge Piers Corbyn to sizeable bets.

Nye may be right about man made global warming,(I'm not sure) but my money would be on Corbyn against Nye on long range forecasting any day of the week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwgRgbTjjQ

I doubt that Piers Corbyn would take up Nye's forecast challenge as he disputes the official temperatures as being fraudulent.
I suppose that's where this debate is mostly. They can't agree on anything.
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Nye has also taken the line that 'climate change' encourages terrorism! The implications of his argument are that global warming sceptics are guilty by default of promoting terrorism
This is not science at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kgIHxkMS8

You couldn't pay me enough money to spout that stupidity.

But then again, it's Nye.
Most celebrities will take any part if you pay them enough.
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It keeps getting more heinous as I dig into some of the crap Bill Nye has said over the years.

Please tell me this nonsense did not come from the mouth of Nye "the science guy"
When you have people denying this basic process, and how we all got here, it’s offensive to me intellectually. And I happen to think it’s unpatriotic. Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution says the government shall “promote the progress of science and useful arts.” So if you’re a politician looking to derail the progress of science, I think you’re not doing your job.
The author rightfully points out Nye's brutish ignorance of the meaning of the particular article in the Constitution he (Nye) is butchering;

So what the section is actually doing is guaranteeing the individual property rights to inventors and writers. Not saying that one should walk in lockstep with what the government decides to promote.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/224590-bill ... patriotic/

Article 1 Section 8 addresses Copyright protection.
HELLO, Nye!!?? Get a clue, please!!

This seems so surreal.
Please tell me this isnt true.
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ant wrote:This thread is quickly being changed into a climate change topic.
Robert is blowing smoke signals.
The thread is about Nye and his fraudulent impersonation of a real scientist.
Hi Flann. If ant had come up with anything better than Sarah Palin's vested interest critique of Nye's scientific observations about climate we might have reason to see ant as more than a bimbo fraud. You may want to ask ant what other aspects of Nye's work other than on climate deserve the Palin treatment. Oh that's right, ant says Nye has a real science degree from Cornell University and that makes him a fraud. :no:

On the terrorism link to climate, this is such a typical example of gotcha propaganda by ant, twisting reasonable comments to serve base interests of political distortion. There is a big literature about the relation between tension, conflict and fragility, and the real causal drivers of these problems. Climate change is right up there. Drought is a major factor in economic displacement and stagnation, which then combine with religious ideology to make people receptive to terrorist views. No one says that climate change is the main cause of terrorism, but it is wrong to say they are unrelated.
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Common, Robert. This is childish of you.

I at no time compared Palin's credentials to Nye's.
I did say that Nye's "credentials" are sorely lacking and that he is not an authority of any kind whatsoever on topics that he clearly lacks exeprtise.
He's a well funded entertainer. When he's left to opine without a script in place, he exposes his ignorance; case in point his comment about the Constitution.
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Robert Tulip wrote:On the terrorism link to climate, this is such a typical example of gotcha propaganda by ant, twisting reasonable comments to serve base interests of political distortion. There is a big literature about the relation between tension, conflict and fragility, and the real causal drivers of these problems. Climate change is right up there. Drought is a major factor in economic displacement and stagnation, which then combine with religious ideology to make people receptive to terrorist views. No one says that climate change is the main cause of terrorism, but it is wrong to say they are unrelated.
Hi Robert. What's troubling about Nye is that he seems more like a public relations spin doctor for the 'orthodoxy' of man made global warming,than anything else.

Even if human co2 emissions were completely eliminated there would still be droughts. It just seems like a scare tactic.His argument that drought in Syria is related to terrorism is extremely simplistic and obviously just meant to scare people into accepting the orthodoxy.

He's trading off a somewhat dubious public persona of being a "science guy" to persuade people to accept the official line. He popped up again to defend the IPPC in relation to the hacked emails some years ago.

This may not have been as big a deal as it seemed but there was also the aspect of trying to pressurize editors of science journals, through boycotts, to exclude views to the contrary.

What is Nye doing playing down the need for openness and public scrutiny and why so blase about the corrupting of the the whole process?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffgj6Deni_Y
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Yup. scare tactics are a huge part of propaganda. It's stupid to connect terrorism with climate change. Nye pointed to the Paris attacks and Syria's drought.
Well, the terrorists weren't even from Syria and their homeland is actually benefiting from climate change.

Not every abject region of the globe resorts to cutting people's heads off and setting of bombs. And clearly there are many terrorist organizations that have publicly pronounced their political reasons for their actions.

This is just a very cheap attempt at a group trying to establish themselves as authorities. And, as usual, authority figures do not like it when their authority is questioned, including those that preach "question all authority"
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