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The hiss is real enough in some snakes, and this clip may be giving you more than you want to know about the subject:

https://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?p=wh ... e=avastbcl

Maybe a bit off topic, but I thought this was interesting from the "ASK" site:
"A snake can also make a growling sound as a way to warn predators entering their space. They also spit, which is most commonly attributed to cobras. Even more surprising, the Sonoran coral snake can make a sound like a quacking duck by expelling air through its digestive tract."



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The hiss is real enough in some snakes, and this clip may be giving you more than you want to know about the subject:

https://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?p=wh ... e=avastbcl

Maybe a bit off topic, but I thought this was interesting from the "ASK" site:
"A snake can also make a growling sound as a way to warn predators entering their space. They also spit, which is most commonly attributed to cobras. Even more surprising, the Sonoran coral snake can make a sound like a quacking duck by expelling air through its digestive tract."


Hi LevV. A curious thing I came across is that burrowing owl chicks imitate the hiss of a rattlesnake when threatened by predators.
Seems to work well for them.

http://birdnote.org/show/burrowing-owls ... attlesnake

I'm not sure what benefit it is to the Sonoran coral snake to quack like a duck unless it's to lure ducks within range and to their doom.
They are not real ducks but quacks really! Quack is a word with two meanings also.



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As something of a "word nerd" myself, I suggest the follwoign radio program. It is on National Public Radio, and locally I hear it on Saturday afternoons at 1:00 PM Central Time (U.S.). It is hosted by Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett. More information, including topics previously discussed, and if your local NPR station carries the show, at waywordradio.org.


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Dwill, and LevV,

Check out this video on the evolution of the English language!
Cool.





My suspicion on the origin of language is that it developed, like we see in some monkeys, as calls to alert of predator danger.
Different predators have different alert calls and the monkeys look where they expect a certain kind of predator depending on the call associated with it. Hawk alerts make them look up.

after that, when you are trying to name things, the most obvious thing to me seems to be trying onomonopia. "Fwoosh!" could mean fire. "Crack-kow!" could mean thunder.

Then as those sounds are used and more nuance is introduced variations are applied and the sounds drift. How are the sounds different in different languages?

I heard of a study that we are capable (obviously) of making any sound in any language, but like a muscle not used, the ability to make and affinity to pick out that sound atrophies as we become accustomed to using and listening for our own language's sounds.

Maybe I'm just getting older, but honestly if somebody says a word I am not expecting, or in a context I'm not familiar with, I will sometimes mis-hear it entirely.


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Have you tried that? Looking for answers?
Or have you been content to be terrified of a thing you know nothing about?

Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?

Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?

Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?

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I'm a word nerd.

I'm interested in words and how they come to be what they are, where they came from, and how they are used.



English is so complicated because of the way it was created and how malleable it is. I love this video because it speaks to that:



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The hiss is real enough in some snakes, and this clip may be giving you more than you want to know about the subject:

https://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?p=wh ... e=avastbcl

Maybe a bit off topic, but I thought this was interesting from the "ASK" site:
"A snake can also make a growling sound as a way to warn predators entering their space. They also spit, which is most commonly attributed to cobras. Even more surprising, the Sonoran coral snake can make a sound like a quacking duck by expelling air through its digestive tract."

I believe you about the hissing. I wondered about it because I had the usual--for that time--childhood experience with snakes and don't recall hearing one of them hissing. Maybe not all species hiss, I don't know. But it brings out the point that we assign sounds to particular animals as much by agreement as by confirming through experience that the sounds are accurate. Maybe that could help account for the differences we see in the ways different language groups "hear" the noises animals make, social convention having taken different forms. We're going to accept whatever we're told as far an animal sounds are concerned. It's likely many may not even hear the animals for ourselves--inner city kids never seeing any farm animals, for example.



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johnson1010 wrote:
I'm a word nerd.

I'm interested in words and how they come to be what they are, where they came from, and how they are used.



English is so complicated because of the way it was created and how malleable it is. I love this video because it speaks to that:


Thanks for that, as it was a really great summary of of the reasons for English spellings. Looking at it, I find it hard to explain English becoming the world language. I mean, in terms of evolution, the language wouldn't seem to have the greatest advantage in attracting users, at least with regard to spelling. There must be something else about it that made it the "fittest." It could be in the near-absence of inflections and gender, which are so troublesome in learning the Romance languages, or in its willingness to raid other languages for vocabulary.



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DWill wrote:
Thanks for that, as it was a really great summary of of the reasons for English spellings. Looking at it, I find it hard to explain English becoming the world language. .


I have to imagine that is the result of English-based countries being the victors in war and economics. Not to mention the development of the internet, which started primarily as an English-based platform. But that's really just a guess.


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Thanks Dylan for the history lesson. :) I also have wondered about some of our spellings, and why certain words are spelled and pronounced so differently. :? As an aside, have you ever heard that "fish" is spelled ghoti? gh as is tough or cough, o as in women, and ti as in nation? :lol: I bet if we all tried we could com up with some other weird spellings.


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Thanks Dylan for the history lesson. :) I also have wondered about some of our spellings, and why certain words are spelled and pronounced so differently. :? As an aside, have you ever heard that "fish" is spelled ghoti? gh as is tough or cough, o as in women, and ti as in nation? :lol: I bet if we all tried we could com up with some other weird spellings.


I've always thought that it would be fun to dump in a bunch of silent ks or gs wherever we wanted. Just look at how beautiful it makes the first line of Howl by Ginsberg look:

I sagw the kbest mindgs of kmy generagtion destrokyed by madgness, starvingg hysterickal nakked. :)


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If we check Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary (10th edition) for definitions of each prefix, we find that although semi always means “half,” the prefix bi can mean either “every two” or “twice.” Thus, bimonthly can mean either “every two months” or “twice a month.”

http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive ... bisemi.htm

Had to look up prefixes semi vs. bi (monthly), 'tis uglier than I remembered. The craziness extends to prefixes... :x



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I'm a word nerd. I'm interested in words and how they come to be what they are, where they came from, and how they are used. I'm always interested in language translations, for instance. Funny how a word serves two functions like that. Got any word nerd moments you want to share?

Here is one from ancient Greek

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http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/7488/is-the-kingdom-of-god-within-you-or-among-you

Jesus Christ at Luke 17:21 (KJV) says, in relevant part, "the kingdom of God is within you." More recent translations give this much differently, for instance, as "the kingdom of God is among you" (NRSV) or "the kingdom of God is in your midst" (NIV).

The Greek Lexicon BDAG indicates ἐντος can mean either "inside" or "among", and prefers the latter for the passage in question. Even the KJV gives both readings.

This is actually a fascinating central question for understanding of the nature of God within Christian belief.

The clash between these translations, within or among, goes to whether we think the Christian vision is of a personal relationship to God (within) or a social practice in community of love of neighbour. Those who prefer a vertical individual theology will prefer within, while those who prefer a horizontal social theology will prefer among. It is like the two axes of the cross.

The problem goes back to Isaiah's prophecy that the messiah would be called Emmanuel. This is usually translated God With Us, but could equally be translated God Among Us. The Hebrew word Em allegedly means both within and among, although I could not confirm this. Again, the political implications of these conflicting readings are large. With has historically been used in an exclusive military way, while Among promotes a more inclusive, humble and welcoming theology.


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Excellent example of how important prepositions can be. It's interesting that 'within' equates to what we recognize as 'spiritual', whereas 'among' equates roughly to 'social.' So, too, religions may emphasize the individual's ability to advance spiritually, or they may stress instead a more superficial or social role for the adherent. Sometimes a religion recognizes both poles to some degree, but it seems mostly agreed that the distinction between Eastern vs. monotheistic religions is the former's attention to the 'inner work' by the individual and the latter's attention to a prescribed program of belief directed outward.



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