ant wrote:
This cheap, low life rhetoric being used against Lisa makes me sick.
"contemporary Christians who have progressed past literalism"
Look again. Christians cannot be Christians without literally believing in Christ and the only way they can do so is by reading at least some of the bible literally.
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I appreciate how and why you would get upset when I quote the misogynous B.S. of your bilble to a Christian who might have forgotten in just how low of an esteem the church has held women.
You misrepresented my position and theology towards women. Find anything I said directly to any woman and make your case. In the meantime let me show Lisa just what the early church thought of women.
Lisa, please note that I do not agree with any of what follows regardless of what ant might say.
The second century St. Clement of Alexandria wrote: "Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman."
The Church father Tertullian explained why women deserve their status as despised and inferior human beings:
"And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert that is, death even the Son of God had to die."
The sixth century Christian philosopher, Boethius, wrote in The Consolation of Philosophy, "Woman is a temple built upon a sewer."
In the tenth century Odo of Cluny declared, "To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure..."
St. Thomas Aquinas suggested that God had made a mistake in creating woman: "nothing [deficient] or defective should have been produced in the first establishment of things; so woman ought not to have been produced then."
The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes. – Martin Luther, Reformer (1483-1546), Works 12.94
No gown worse becomes a woman than the desire to be wise. – Martin Luther, Reformer (1483-1546)
Men have broad and large chests, and small narrow hips, and more understanding than women, who have but small and narrow breasts, and broad hips, to the end they should remain at home, sit still, keep house, and bear and bring up children. – Martin Luther, Reformer (1483-1546), Table Talk
“If a woman grows weary and, at last, dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing - she is there to do it.”
- Martin Luther
Regards
DL
