So the second coming happened, but it was spiritual instead of physical. So now why would October be any different? I suppose that on October 22 forward Camping will have to claim that spiritually we are in the New Jerusalem etc. etc. Spiritually, not physically, sin will be gone according to that standard. But then of course with life carrying on as usual all of the usual human nature going about, described as sin, will of course still be carrying on.
This guys an idiot. Why doesn't he get it over with and just join the Jehovah's Witness? He already copied them close enough. This invisible second coming apology to excuse his false prophecy is just plain ill-conceived. I wonder how long it will take for his following to collapse completely?
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What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
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Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
I doubt that they would take himTat
This guys an idiot. Why doesn't he get it over with and just join the Jehovah's Witness?
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Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
It's still interesting to sit here watching the play by play first hand. The extent of his delusion is remarkable. How does this May 21 apology categorize psychologically, perhaps as a self reinforcing delusion?
But then again, it's still a delusion comparable to anything we see around here with Stahrwe. Only Campings YEC delusion is receiving global attention of course...
But then again, it's still a delusion comparable to anything we see around here with Stahrwe. Only Campings YEC delusion is receiving global attention of course...
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And Camping’s delusion is also being tested against the empirical world… and its failing… no surprise.
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Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
Here's another addition to the doomsday cult media blitz:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Doomsday- ... 11146.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Doomsday- ... 11146.html
When the world didn't end on May 21, many people who had given up their earthly possessions were left with nothing.
But one believer never lived to see the day. She left nearly her entire estate -- around $300,000 -- to the group behind the failed prediction, leaving some family members out in the cold.
Eileen Heuwetter was shocked to find out that her aunt left the majority of her estate to Family Radio, the group responsible for the doomsday warnings that the world would end on May 21. She and her sister were each left $25,000 from their aunt's estate. The rest is going to Family Radio.
The network of Christian radio stations based in Oakland, Ca., is almost entirely funded by donations. According to IRS filings, the group brought in $18 million in contributions in 2009 alone.
Heuwetter, the executor of the will, knew how much her aunt loved the radio station and admired its leader, Harold Camping, who is viewed as a prophet by many of his followers.
While other family members insisted it was crazy to let her aunt give all that money to a radio station, Heuwetter didn't initially contest the conditions of the will. She knew little about the Christian radio station, but knew her aunt, Doris Schmitt, found comfort in it.
Schmitt had lived a tough life, struggling with alcoholism and losing her two children to drug addictions before dying alone at 78 on May 2, 2010 in her small home in Queens, New York.
"This was not a woman who had anything. She literally had Family Radio on day and night -- she went to bed with it and woke up to it," said Heuwetter. "That was all she had."
It wasn't until recently that Heuwetter learned who was really getting her aunt's bequest. She said she first realized this was the same group when she saw buses driving around New York City the weekend before the supposed end of the world, spreading the doomsday message. "I'm looking at these brand new buses drive around with Family Radio's name on them, saying 'Doomsday is May 21', and I said, 'Oh my god, this is who my aunt gave all of her money to," Heuwetter said. "I didn't know he was so crazy, and at this point I was incensed that this man was going to get everything my aunt had left."
While Heuwetter says she didn't necessarily need the extra cash, other family members were struggling and could have used a little help, she said.
Even worse, Heuwetter said, was that Camping's prediction never came to fruition. Heuwetter's family members were just as angry when they learned about Family Radio's failed prophecy, so they brought the case to several lawyers, who sympathized with the family, but agreed they had no case. Family Radio did not respond to requests for comment.
The estate is within weeks of closing, and Heuwetter knows it's a lost cause.
"It's just so frustrating because I know there's nothing I can do about it -- this man is going to get hundreds of thousands of dollars from my aunt," she said. "And she wasn't a rich woman."
Though Camping later clarified that his prediction actually extends until October, many followers were disappointed when the rapture didn't happen on May 21. Heuwetter said there is no way her aunt would have given the money to Family Radio, had she lived to see Camping's doomsday-gone-wrong.
"She would have been devastated," Heuwetter said. "Listening to him say things would be better in paradise made her feel better -- she totally believed she would leave this world on May 21, and she needed to believe that."
If she were here to watch the world continue after May 21, she would have likely given her money to other family members, said Heuwetter.
"It was a good amount of money that would have helped a lot of people live better today -- but now it's not helping anyone."
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Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
Wow, what a story. I doubt the family will get any of the money seeing as the aunt left it of her own free will.
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Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
hmmm....
That's funny.
I'm an atheist. I knew the rapture was coming. And I didnt try to rape ANYBODY.
Maybe christians WILL go crazy if they knew there was no god.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florid ... 7757.story
That's funny.
I'm an atheist. I knew the rapture was coming. And I didnt try to rape ANYBODY.
Maybe christians WILL go crazy if they knew there was no god.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florid ... 7757.story
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Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?
Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?
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Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?
Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?
Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?
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Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
Within a few days after the non-rapture, I came across several people, all very religious, who were angry at Camping. I didn't have an opportunity to ask them why they were. I can speculate that the cry wolf thing was part of it; also they might have feared they'd look ridiculous themselves (imagine), believing in the rapture as much as Camping. One note I did detect is that Camping ignored the Bible itself, which says nobody will be able to tell us when the end times will come. So Camping wasn't fundamentalist enough. It's a brilliant stroke from the writers, I have to admit, putting that disclaimer in. Every person who wrongly predicts the end proves the Bible right in some perverse way. Maybe a few people who previously accepted the rapture felt a few doubts creep in after the 21st. That would be a good result to partly offset the harm done.
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For sure. Things like this must make people step back a little bit and consider how foolish a belief in the rapture must make them look. I was looking around at the sky on the 21st thinking about how bloody stupid it is for anyone to actually think that an historical second coming will ever happen at any time. When I believed in it I actually used to look towards the east because it's claimed that Jesus will be coming from the east as a cloud about the size of a man's fist. That's the first sign of his nearness and one that SDA's have always focused on. It's funny reflecting back on that delusion now understanding the solar the myth and where the fixation on the east came from in the first place.
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Re: What will Harold Camping say after May 21, 2011 when the Rapture doesn't occur?
DWill wrote:Within a few days after the non-rapture, I came across several people, all very religious, who were angry at Camping. I didn't have an opportunity to ask them why they were. I can speculate that the cry wolf thing was part of it; also they might have feared they'd look ridiculous themselves (imagine), believing in the rapture as much as Camping. One note I did detect is that Camping ignored the Bible itself, which says nobody will be able to tell us when the end times will come. So Camping wasn't fundamentalist enough. It's a brilliant stroke from the writers, I have to admit, putting that disclaimer in. Every person who wrongly predicts the end proves the Bible right in some perverse way. Maybe a few people who previously accepted the rapture felt a few doubts creep in after the 21st. That would be a good result to partly offset the harm done.
That's the easy way out for them. The babble writers were smart enough to include a scapegoat.which says nobody will be able to tell us when the end times will come.
http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm