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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
Interbane wrote:
Hey, you started that one.

What are you thoughts on the Pope's encyclical? Is he merely jumping on a bandwagon, or has he done his homework?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/world ... .html?_r=0



oh the Pope believes global warming.., sorry, I mean climate change, is caused by man?
then it must be true!

he wouldn't be trying to be politically correct here. he must have found it in the Bible!

thanks!



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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
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oh the Pope believes global warming.., sorry, I mean climate change, is caused by man?
then it must be true!


Must it be true? :P

How do you think he arrived at his conclusion? Just going with the consensus? Faith? A whisper from god?


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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
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oh the Pope believes global warming.., sorry, I mean climate change, is caused by man?
then it must be true!


Must it be true? :P

How do you think he arrived at his conclusion? Just going with the consensus? Faith? A whisper from god?



Random thought here:

It's quite interesting how Atheism has somehow created its own Grand Inquisitors on behalf of naturalism.



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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
The Crichton piece is really quite well written; I have used it in some of my English rhetoric classes in the past.

I agree with Crichton that the consensus argument is used when the science isn't settled. And, yes, I remain skeptical about some aspects of climate change and all the political claptrap that is frequently lumped with it. But on the other hand, it's entirely reasonable to reduce our carbon emissions. And to say "I believe" recent climate change is not human-driven is just as spurious as claims that the science is settled. I think it's important to emphasize that the science isn't settled, but we still sometimes have to make judgment calls based on what we have thus far.

Thanks, Interbane for bringing up the Pope's encyclical. I started a new thread to discuss that.

the-pope-s-encyclical-on-climate-science-t19815.html


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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
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And to say "I believe" recent climate change is not human-driven is just as spurious as claims that the science is settled.



That's not what I quite said, right?

Are you attempting to manipulate my words to accuse me of being spurious?
Let's be clear, okay?

Here's what Ant wrote:

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I do not believe Man is the primary contributor to climate change


very different from your inaccurate paraphrase (if that's what you were attempting - if not, I appoligize)



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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
I sort of was paraphrasing you, inaccurately as it turns out.


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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
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I sort of was paraphrasing you, inaccurately as it turns out.



Yeah, you were dead wrong.
And I anticipated someone mischaracterizing what I've said here.
It's happened many times before.

But thanks for being honest about it.



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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
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It's quite interesting how Atheism has somehow created its own Grand Inquisitors on behalf of naturalism.


You think they were created? Or perhaps they arose on their own, with the personal conviction that their worldview is the only one that makes sense.

I find it interesting that you attack atheism more ferociously than Dawkins attacks religion, yet you claim to hold the middle ground.


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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
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I find it interesting that you attack atheism more ferociously than Dawkins attacks religion, yet you claim to hold the middle ground.


Nothing to worry about here:

Dawkins has 1.19 million followers on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/richarddawkins


I have just you and yorky.


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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
Here in this thread I presented thoughts about what actually is "consensus science" from a historical perspective and I introduced some recent scientific findings that refute imate models that conclude the planet is warming at an alarming rate - which is the primary argument of climate alarmists.



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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
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Here in this thread I presented thoughts about what actually is "consensus science" from a historical perspective and I introduced some recent scientific findings that refute imate models that conclude the planet is warming at an alarming rate - which is the primary argument of climate alarmists.


So now you disagree that the climate is changing?


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ant wrote:
Here in this thread I presented thoughts about what actually is "consensus science" from a historical perspective and I introduced some recent scientific findings that refute imate models that conclude the planet is warming at an alarming rate - which is the primary argument of climate alarmists.


So now you disagree that the climate is changing?



"AT AN ALARMING RATE"

You guys really see only what you want to see, huh?

I do not disagree with the current models that indicate previous models run too hot.
Do you? On what basis? Because your local weather has been hot these past few summers??



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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
Here is the bandwagon fallacy

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/bandwagn.html



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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
You assume an ad populum fallacy when there is evidence instead.

Here's one for you: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

ant wrote:
"AT AN ALARMING RATE"


What model shows it changing at an alarming rate?


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Post Re: what is an alleged "scientific consensus" ?
Ive been debating with myself about getting a subscription to Scientific American which often times has some great articles. However, Ive come across articles in it that seemed too political in tone.
I wiki'd it and read some contraversial moments in tthe magazines history. One individual actually said it was more of a liberal magazine.
This controversial moment in the mags history particularly raised my eyebrow:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ske ... nmentalist

There's also a story about a female blogger for SA that was allegedly a victim of sex discrimination.

The way SA was said to have reacted to The Skeptical Environmentalist is not surprising really when you think about it.
The scientific community's consensus groupies are very much politicians when their conclusions are challenged. Which makes it highly suspect.



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