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Was Gerald Massey a 19th Cent. Cuckoo Banana-Bird or Was Jesus Volguus Zildrohar lord of the Sebouil

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Re: Was Gerald Massey a 19th Cent. Cuckoo Banana-Bird or Was Jesus Volguus Zildrohar lord of the Sebouil

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Please provide credentials for the "Scholars."
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Robert Price
Robert McNair Price (born July 7, 1954) is an American theologian and writer,[4] known for arguing against the existence of a historical Jesus (the Christ myth theory). He taught philosophy and religion at the Johnnie Colemon Theological Seminary.[5] He is a professor of biblical criticism at the Center for Inquiry Institute, and the author of a number of books on theology and the historicity of Jesus.

A former Baptist minister, he was the editor of the Journal of Higher Criticism from 1994 until it ceased publication in 2003. He has also written extensively about the Cthulhu Mythos, a "shared universe" created by the writer H. P. Lovecraft.[6] He also co-wrote a book with his wife, Carol Selby Price, Mystic Rhythms: The Philosophical Vision of Rush (1999), on the rock band Rush.
Price is a fellow of the Jesus Seminar, a group of 150 writers and scholars who study the historicity of Jesus, the organizer of a Web community for those interested in the history of Christianity,[7] and sits on the advisory board of the Secular Student Alliance.[3] He is a religious skeptic, especially of orthodox Christian beliefs, occasionally describing himself as a Christian atheist.

Price acknowledges that outside the New Testament there are a small number of ancient sources (Tacitus, for example) who would testify that Jesus Christ was a person who really lived.

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Earl Doherty
According to Doherty, none of the major Christian apologists before 180 AD, except for Justin and Aristides of Athens, included an account of a historical Jesus in their defenses of Christianity.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Doherty
BTW, that's Justin Martyr. He's the reason people who died for believing in Jesus and calling themselves Christians, and not renouncing Christianity, are called 'martyrs.' I am not familiar with Aristides of Athens but I am researching him now.
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Ken Feder
Feder was very interested in cryptozoology and ancient astronauts as a teenager, when a book called Morning of the Magicians about extraterrestrial aliens turned him on to what he describes as the nonsense in archaeology.[4][5] "Essentially it was Erich von Däniken before Erich von Däniken", referring to the popular author and popularizer of ancient astronaut theories. "I knew it was crap and it got me really pissed off," Feder has stated, adding that researching the claims that were made grew his interest.[5] According to Feder, after becoming a professor, he asked his students what they wanted to learn in the class. They expressed interest in the same things he was interested in as a teen, but he couldn't find a book that dealt with answers to these pseudoscience topics, which led to the writing of his first book, Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology.5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Feder
I am not familiar with Ken Feder. He actually seems like he has some promise. I wonder what his take is on Astrotheology. Given the above, I can't believe he takes it seriously. I am putting him on my list to check out.
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I am just going to write off Aron Ra without further effort. I dealt with him in the past. He is one of the reasons that I instituted my rule against watching videos for which no transcript was provided. I tried to make notes to refute one of his videos in the past but it was so convoluted and nonsensical that I gave up. I had the same problem with Dorothy.
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Dr. Paul Eisenman
As far as Eisenman is concerned, James the Just, the individual Paul actually refers to as either "brother of Jesus" or “the brother of the Lord,”[59] is the historical character who exhibits the most in common with “the Teacher of Righteousness" pictured at Qumran and he considers that these events are the ones vividly portrayed in the Habakkuk Commentary. Historically speaking, it is this character who led the “Opposition Movement,” including Essenes, Zealots, Sicarii, and/or Nazoreans — even Ebionites — and who, as “Zaddik" (צדיק), i. e., “the Zaddik of the Opposition Movement,” about whom all these groups revolved until his death at the hands of the High Priest Ananus ben Ananus in 62 CE as described both in Josephus and Early Church literature.[60] For him, the popularity of James and the illegality of the manner of his death at the hands of the Herodians, establishment High Priesthood, and Pharisees in 62 CE set the stage for and possibly even triggered the First Jewish Revolt against the Rome in 66–73 CE — to say nothing of the fire in Rome, not long afterwards which, aside from his probably having set it himself,[dubious – discuss][citation needed] Nero was reported to have blamed on “Christians.”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Eisenman
Emphasis mine. Seems like Eisenman accepts that Jesus was a real, historical figure.
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I couldn't find anything for:

Pastor David Bruce, M.Div
Rev. Dr. Jon Burnham, Pastor

maybe someone could provide information about them.
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James the Brother of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls I: The Historical James, Paul the Enemy, and Jesus' Brothers as Apostles
Book written by Robert Eisenman

Chapter 4 is titled: First Century Sources Mentioning Jesus.
In this new series of books: James the Brother of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls I, renowned biblical scholar Robert Eisenman revisits the subject of James the brother of Jesus connecting him even more effectively, not only to the Leadership of Early Christianity in Palestine, but to the Dead Sea Scrolls in Palestine too. In a more reader-friendly format that compresses the results of his several previous works, Eisenman uses the Dead Sea Scrolls and early Church texts to create the most comprehensive picture of Jesus’ brother James conceivable. The private specialist and enthusiastic aficionado will not want to miss it. The James, Eisenman presents, is the pivotal Opposition Jewish Leader leading up to the fall of the Temple and beyond in the First Century. As a typical Essene or Dead Sea Scrolls sectarian, James wears only linen, bathes daily in cold water, was a vegetarian, and is a life-long Nazirite; but he and the Party, the New Testament attests he led, are also “zealous for the Law” and insist on “Circumcision”. Moreover Eisenman makes compelling arguments that James not Peter -- whoever he was and however he existed -- and certainly not Paul, was the true heir to his brother Jesus and the Leader of early Christianity everywhere. Eisenman will also cover subjects like “the Brothers of Jesus as Apostles,” “the New Covenant in the Land of Damascus,” and Paul’s almost mortal attack on James in the Temple. Eisenman’s work will also extend to the competition between Paul and James in Antioch and over the conversion of Queen Helen of Adiabene and her two sons in Northern Syria, who not only led the ‘famine relief” efforts ascribed to Paul in Acts, but also gave the fabulous golden candelabra depicted as booty from the Temple on the Arch of Titus in Rome. Eisenman will show the figure of James to have been so influential and highly-regarded in the Jerusalem of his day that his death was the capstone event that led up to the Jewish Revolt against Rome. In this series, Eisenman’s revelations will extend far beyond these examples. Adapted from a lifetime of research, James the Brother of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls, both I and II, will complete the task of rescuing James from the oblivion into which he was cast either intentionally or via benign neglect. His conclusion will therefore definitively bear on the problem of “the Historical Jesus”: “Who and whatever James was, so was Jesus.”amazon.com/James-Brother-Jesus-Dead-Scr ... t+eisenman
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FTL99 wrote:
stahrwe: "Why did Gerald Massey go wrong?"
Here's a response to that too:

William Lane Craig on Jesus-Osiris/Horus Parallels--DEBUNKED
Hi FTL, loved that explanation, and provide it again below so other readers can see what evil nonsense is promoted by those like Craig who refuse to engage in open debate on their claims and imply that anyone who questions the existence of Jesus Christ is a Nazi. Such intimidating language from William Lane Craig illustrates the desperate weakness and untruth of the literalist position.
Dr. William Lane Craig begins by claiming the concept of comparing Jesus to Pagan religion began in Germany in the 19th century and that the case for mythicism fell apart because there are no primary sources to back up the claims.

We know this to be utterly false as Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection is a nearly 600 page book with over 2,400 footnotes/citations to over 900 sources in the bibliography full of the primary sources and scholar commentary on them that Dr. Craig claims doesn't exist. It just shows how little he really knows about the subject.

Then, starting around 2:30 he argues that Jesus was a Jew and that the New Testament is up against the back drop of 1st century Judaism. Therefore, 19th century Germany started the whole anti-semitism sentiment that eventually led to the Nazi's. So, according to William Lane Craig, Hitler and the Third Reich is all the fault of mythicists.

- This claim by Dr. Craig of accusing mythicists of being responsible for Hitler's Third Reich is so outrageously malicious that it doesn't even deserve a response. Dr. Craig owes mythicists an apology.

At around 4:10 Dr. Craig mentions Zeitgeist and Dr. Mark Foreman. The following links prove these guys embarrassingly wrong:

Rebuttal to Dr. Chris Forbes concerning 'Zeitgeist, Part 1'

Challenging the Zeitgeist Movie by Dr. Mark Foreman

Wow, that was easy.

* As if that's not enough, the 'William Lane Craig' Youtube channel is too cowardice to allow comments on the video above and you can't even send a message to contact them to send them the above links unless you've subscribed to his channel and you've been added to his contacts; meaning, you're a fan of some sort and are never critical.

This is basically what Dr. Bart Ehrman does as well - many people have tried to post Acharya's responses at Ehrman's blog or videos and rather than try to prove them wrong, which he can't, he just refuses to allow them to be posted as if they never existed. The end result is that people are misled into believing Ehrman has had the last word on the matter when nothing could be further from the truth. People like Dr. Ehrman and Dr. Craig get the media press while Acharya's work proving them wrong gets ignored. These cowards hide behind their Ph.D's in the fallacious form of credentialism even as they've been proven wrong repeatedly. If people knew about the utter dishonesty in New Testament scholarship there would be serious backlash.
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The astrotheologists are free to believe whatever they like however bizarre. I've provided some counter arguments and evidence against this theory and am happy enough to leave it at that. As a related matter of interest the Robert Price vs Bart Ehrman debate "Did Jesus Exist" is now available on youtube.

From my perspective there is a melancholy irony in the spectacle of the agnostic critic of orthodox Christianity Ehrman debating the mythicist Price on the historical existence of Jesus. I haven't watched this yet but it's over 2 hours long apparently.

Anyway here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzjYmpwbHEA

Now watch the astrotheologists claim Ehrman is a fundamentalist!
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