Online reading group and book discussion forum
  HOME ENTER FORUMS OUR BOOKS LINKS DONATE ADVERTISE CONTACT  
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:59 pm





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 195 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.  Go to page Previous  1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science" 
Author Message
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

BookTalk.org Moderator
Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 7075
Location: Da U.P.
Thanks: 1078
Thanked: 2077 times in 1666 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
A site that discusses all the popular denialist arguments.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

"Scientific skepticism is healthy. Scientists should always challenge themselves to improve their understanding. Yet this isn't what happens with climate change denial. Skeptics vigorously criticise any evidence that supports man-made global warming and yet embrace any argument, op-ed, blog or study that purports to refute global warming."


_________________
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.” - Douglas Adams


Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:13 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5481
Thanks: 1302
Thanked: 889 times in 763 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
Interbane wrote:
I remember posting an article that covered this.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/348/6 ... 9.abstract

Much study has been devoted to the possible causes of an apparent decrease in the upward trend of global surface temperatures since 1998, a phenomenon that has been dubbed the global warming “hiatus.” Here, we present an updated global surface temperature analysis that reveals that global trends are higher than those reported by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, especially in recent decades, and that the central estimate for the rate of warming during the first 15 years of the 21st century is at least as great as the last half of the 20th century. These results do not support the notion of a “slowdown” in the increase of global surface temperature.



Quote:
In addition, more detailed information has been obtained regarding each ship’s observation method. This information was also used to provide improved corrections for changes in the mix of observing methods.  


https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/recent-g ... ing-hiatus

How have the limitations of ocean spacial surface coverage been improved?
Were the limitations improved on and was that part of "improved corrections" to add to obervational data?



Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:38 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Just realized BookTalk.org is awesome!

Silver Contributor

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 791
Location: Florida
Thanks: 314
Thanked: 464 times in 359 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
I googled current global weather stations and found this map.

databasin.org/datasets/15a31dec689b4c95 ... ff30fcce75

If global temps are averaged then modeled would the models be skewed?

consider the majority of stations are located in developed areas of the planet, again does this effect averages?



The following user would like to thank Taylor for this post:
ant
Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:52 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5481
Thanks: 1302
Thanked: 889 times in 763 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
Taylor wrote:
I googled current global weather stations and found this map.

databasin.org/datasets/15a31dec689b4c95 ... ff30fcce75

If global temps are averaged then modeled would the models be skewed?

consider the majority of stations are located in developed areas of the planet, again does this effect averages?



I THINK the study was largely dependent on revisting ocean surface temperature data.
(Note: funny how revisting data can save just about anything you wish to prove)

But from what I recall, one of the issues with this type of observational evidence is that there are spatial coverage challenges that impact average calculations.
I want to know how theyve improved on that, because its been acknowledged that it's a concern.

Maybe Interbane purchased the complete report.
Im certain he knows the answer by now.
He looks into these things closely.



Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:04 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

BookTalk.org Moderator
Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 7075
Location: Da U.P.
Thanks: 1078
Thanked: 2077 times in 1666 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
ant wrote:
Note: funny how revisting data can save just about anything you wish to prove


Part of the beauty of publishing studies is that scientists can revisit the data and experiments and reproduce them in part or in whole. It isn't the revisiting of published work that is a bad thing, as you're suggesting. It's when published work isn't revisited. You posted a link a week or two ago on this very issue, the reproduction of studies. Any denialist who wishes can challenge the study, and they are more than welcome to.


_________________
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.” - Douglas Adams


Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:15 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5481
Thanks: 1302
Thanked: 889 times in 763 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
Interbane wrote:
ant wrote:
Note: funny how revisting data can save just about anything you wish to prove


Part of the beauty of publishing studies is that scientists can revisit the data and experiments and reproduce them in part or in whole. It isn't the revisiting of published work that is a bad thing, as you're suggesting. It's when published work isn't revisited. You posted a link a week or two ago on this very issue, the reproduction of studies. Any denialist who wishes can challenge the study, and they are more than welcome to.


Oh youre going to poetically answer my question about a specific observational method and the data it did or did not generate in this publication, huh?

Good going! :slap:



Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:05 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

BookTalk.org Moderator
Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 7075
Location: Da U.P.
Thanks: 1078
Thanked: 2077 times in 1666 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
I have a climate change poem if you want one.

I miss when I could drop down on all fours
and flick the ground away from under me.
I miss the wire I ran into the earth.
I miss when I was the bloom on the sea
and we slept forever under the warm clouds
till something twitched with design
and woke the clock. So we arose and went.
Last night when the waters rose again
I rowed out to the beeless glade
and lay down on the grass. My sister
taught me to watch the stars this way
lest I think that heaven was up, or heaven,
lest I forget the stars are also below us
where they sink and sail into the dark like cinders.
-Don Paterson


_________________
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.” - Douglas Adams


The following user would like to thank Interbane for this post:
Harry Marks
Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:23 am
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Nutty for Books


Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1581
Location: Dublin
Thanks: 832
Thanked: 704 times in 604 posts
Gender: Male
Country: Ireland (ie)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
Whatever the truth is about climate change in the long term,the British Meteorological office is predicting the strongest "El Nino" since 1950 to be on it's way,this year.
Here's their report with very different effects for different regions of the world. Some have already occurred and we'll see what happens elsewhere as time goes on.
It's never the same apparently. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34236010



Last edited by Flann 5 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.



The following user would like to thank Flann 5 for this post:
ant
Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:30 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5481
Thanks: 1302
Thanked: 889 times in 763 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
Here's a little more on the study that claims the Hiatus never happened:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... um=twitter

It's lead author is not a climate scientist, he's a Statistician.
It's primary "evidence" is the reworking of the data, and has less to do with observational data.
I still do not know how spatial oceanic temperature readings have bee improved. That would add to observational evidence, I think. But I'm no expert, like Interbane.

The use of "appropriate statistical techniques" in climate models should improve their reliability. :?

It's obvious here why I would take this climate study, BY A STATISTICIAN, with a grain of salt.

Also, here's some good reading:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistic ... 0393310728



Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:02 am
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5481
Thanks: 1302
Thanked: 889 times in 763 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
The date is October 24, 2015.

I live in southern California.
It's about 87 degrees right now.

The climate is changing, globally, by and large.
It's simply staying warmer for longer durations.
It takes longer for the day to cool.
we have shorter winters.
"Summer" seems to start ealier every year, and ends later.

Ive even noticed summer bugs are effin confused.

This really sucks because I HATE warm weather.

Some idiot yesterday said that its good news that the weather will be warmer throughout the year.

I almost punched him that big mouth of his.



Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:04 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

BookTalk.org Moderator
Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 7075
Location: Da U.P.
Thanks: 1078
Thanked: 2077 times in 1666 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
Quote:
Some idiot yesterday said that its good news that the weather will be warmer throughout the year.

I almost punched him that big mouth of his.


LOL!

I hope el nino is as wet as they're predicting. What would happen if the drought continued? Would California slowly turn to desert, aided by fires? It's sort of scary.


_________________
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.” - Douglas Adams


The following user would like to thank Interbane for this post:
Harry Marks
Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:03 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5481
Thanks: 1302
Thanked: 889 times in 763 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
Im a true native of southern ca. 3rd generation..born and raised a mile from Hollywood.
I have enough experience and family history to know this area is turning into a f**** desert.

My plan is to migrate north hopefully in the next 3 years.
Today it reached 90.
Totally ridiculous.

I am hating life here in LA right now.



Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:43 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Reading Addict


Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1369
Thanks: 1471
Thanked: 680 times in 551 posts
Gender: None specified

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
The good news is that most of the warming so far has taken place at night. Even so, the Middle East and South Asia have broken all kinds of records for heat in the daytime. S. Cal is a picnic compared to Delhi or Baghdad.



Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:26 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

Gold Contributor

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 5481
Thanks: 1302
Thanked: 889 times in 763 posts
Gender: None specified
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
By far, after tracking this issue closely, the most common misunderstanding among "deniers" and to a lesser extent, "luke warmers" is the difference between climate and weather.

The focus needs to be hammering away at the clarifying the confusion between the two. :(



The following user would like to thank ant for this post:
Harry Marks
Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:31 am
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Reading Addict


Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1369
Thanks: 1471
Thanked: 680 times in 551 posts
Gender: None specified

Post Re: Matt Ridley, "The Climate Wars’ Damage to Science"
ant wrote:
By far, the most common misunderstanding is the difference between climate and weather.

Well, they *are* related.



Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:40 pm
Profile Email
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 195 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.  Go to page Previous  1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:



Site Resources 
HELPFUL INFO:
Forum Rules & Tips
Frequently Asked Questions
BBCode Explained
Author Interview Transcripts
Be a Book Discussion Leader!

IDEAS FOR WHAT TO READ:
Bestsellers
Book Awards
• Book Reviews
• Online Books
• Team Picks
Newspaper Book Sections

WHERE TO BUY BOOKS:
• Great resource pages are coming!

BEHIND THE BOOKS:
• Great resource pages are coming!

PROMOTE YOUR BOOK!
Advertise on BookTalk.org
How To Promote Your Book





BookTalk.org is a thriving book discussion forum, online reading group or book club. We read and talk about both fiction and non-fiction books as a community. Our forums are open to anyone in the world. While discussing books is our passion we also have active forums for talking about poetry, short stories, writing and authors. Our general discussion forum section includes forums for discussing science, religion, philosophy, politics, history, current events, arts, entertainment and more. We hope you join us!


Navigation 
MAIN NAVIGATION

HOMEFORUMSOUR BOOKSAUTHOR INTERVIEWSADVERTISELINKSFAQDONATETERMS OF USEPRIVACY POLICYSITEMAP

OTHER PAGES WORTH EXPLORING
Banned Book ListOnline Reading GroupTop 10 Atheism Books

Copyright © BookTalk.org 2002-2019. All rights reserved.
Display Pagerank