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Ukraine's head of military intelligence says the war with Russia is going so well, that it will reach a turning point by mid-August and be over by the end of the year.

...Major General Kyrylo Budanov also said a coup to remove Vladimir Putin is already under way in Russia and the Russian leader is seriously ill with cancer.

5/14/22
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war- ... r-12612320
Let's hope this is somewhat accurate and not propaganda...
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I've been surprised by every single week of this debacle. Sure, a lot of the results make sense in hindsight: the same weapons that made Afghanistan hell for America (and the USSR before) have souped-up versions available to Ukraine; Putin is a megalomaniac who, like Stalin, reduces the effectiveness of everyone around him by permitting no independent thought, etc. But frankly, I never thought Ukraine would still be independent by mid-May, let alone winning.

The Economist had a superb special issue a month back about how battlefield issues have been changing over the last 10 years. Short version is that the combination of a motivated force with interlinked surveillance and targeting technology and the freedom to improvise on the battlefield is difficult to overcome. Just as Putin has been able to frustrate American initiatives, it is relatively easy for us to stymie his.
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LanDroid wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 11:57 pm
Ukraine's head of military intelligence says the war with Russia is going so well, that it will reach a turning point by mid-August and be over by the end of the year.

...Major General Kyrylo Budanov also said a coup to remove Vladimir Putin is already under way in Russia and the Russian leader is seriously ill with cancer.

5/14/22
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war- ... r-12612320
Let's hope this is somewhat accurate and not propaganda...
Do you really believe that Russia will let them off the hook?
The worst it gets for Russia the worst it will get for Ukraine, and for the entire europe...
The gates of hell are opened...


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New York Times had a commentary piece today arguing that young Russian men are, by and large, still willing to sign up for the war in Ukraine because it gives them a sense of usefulness and it pays something like five times the median salary (and offers good opportunities in government jobs for those who make it back alive.)

https://www.nytimes.com › 2023 › 03 › 31 › opinion › russia-ukraine-war-soldiers.html
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More than a year since the invasion. Support for Ukraine promotes values that are central to the stability and security and freedom of the whole world.
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Scroll up a bit to some quotes from Major General Kyrylo Budanov, the head of Ukraine's military intelligence. He was either overly optimistic or spreading propaganda. Some of what he says may yet come true, but obviously the war did not end last year...

That seems like a major miscalculation and yet he is being considered for a major promotion.
Budanov, Head Of Ukraine Military Intel, May Replace Reznikov As Defense Minister
...Combined, these weapons could help Ukraine realize its goal of retaking Crimea, something that Budanov told The War Zone will happen this year.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b ... e-minister
Dunno what to make of all that...
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After quitting the grain deal Russia is working hard to destroy Ukraine as a country that can feed the world. Russia wants to monopolize grain supplies. Almost all Ukrainian ports are blocked and shelled. Ships cannot leave. Ukraine cannot earn money from selling grain and sustain ourselves. Ukraine needs antimissile and air defense - a system, strong, modern and powerful enough to withstand those types of missiles Russia uses against us.

The world must put an end to Russia's hunger games.

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Trying to reconstruct a bare bones timeline of recent history in Ukraine. It seems none of this should be happening based on critical earlier agreements and the US is more complicit in the chaos than generally understood.

1994 Budapest Memorandum
US, Russia, and Britain agree to existing borders and sovereignty of Ukraine if they give up the world’s 3rd largest nuclear aresenal. Discussed earlier in this thread.

2014 February
US plans and supports overthrow of democratically elected President Yanukovych Victor
https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/ ... in-Ukraine

2014 February – March
Russia invades Crimea in power vacuum and annexes from Ukraine. This took only 2 months. No enforcement of the Budapest Memorandum 20 years later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexatio ... Federation

2024 February
Russia invades Ukraine

More detailed timeline here:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ev ... 022-02-28/
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Trying to figure out why folks oppose assisting Ukraine's defense. Here's a brief and admittedly crudely stated list, need to assess and flesh it out. Obviously not all are serious, but might be subconscious or emotional motivations.
  • We can't afford it. We waste too much on boondoggles like poor people and fighting climate change.
  • Ukrainians are Nazis. The US fights and defeats Nazis. (Unless they have domestic free speech rights.)
  • At the beginning (and sometimes the duration) of every war, most information is mistaken or deliberate lies. Be skeptical!
  • It would be really good to avoid WWIII. We are moving in that direction.
  • The US is culpable in part due to actions supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected President. As with numerous previous coups, we pay to create a mess, then pay MUCH more to clean it up. It's a scam on the US taxpayer.
  • After centuries of supporting coups, breaking treaties, and failed plans, our reputation has long been in tatters. We cannot fret about that and must continue doing what is best in the short term regardless of previous actions to create a situation or agreements that limit our power. The future is unknowable: Act or Abstain Now!
  • If we cared about Ukraine we would have stopped Russia's invasion of Crimea in 2014. Stop putting up a false front and withdraw now.
  • Ukraine deserves to be conquered because there were vague rumors about allowing them to join NATO.
  • We cannot allow Ukraine to join NATO now. That would pull the alliance into the war. We must wait until this conflict is resolved, but obviously only if Ukraine is still independent.
  • Trump likes Putin. Although obviously there was zero collusion, Putin assisted Trump's 2016 election with online information. Therefore we must support Putin.
  • Ukraine did not investigate Hunter Biden. F'em.
  • Unlike Russia and the US, Ukraine is extremely corrupt. We must not support corruption.
  • Europe has the most risk in this situation. Let them handle it themselves.
  • Russia defeating Ukraine would be well worth it just to see libruls cry. It would demonstrate what a strong man can accomplish.
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I think there’s one glaring mis on the list :-D .

The U.S./Mexico border is an absolute disaster of Biden/Harris’s making. The only absolute remedy is an immediate cessation of every and all support for Ukraine with all materials leftover at this instant immediately redeployed to the southern U.S. border. There is an imperative for the constitution of the United States to be amended to command the immediate militarization of said border, with all available armaments pointed directly at the hordes of abjectly poor people looking north for answers.

This is demanded by many great Americans whose lament is the degradation of American exceptionalism and manifest greatness. Only the orange one can do this.

It is a great injustice against Appalachian drug users that sympathy/(money) isn’t delivered to them on silver platers…
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