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ant wrote:Which political ideology is more likely to burn down St John's Church, which is happening at this very moment - far right or far left?

This isn't rocket science, my friend.

And, yet, the rioting and vandalism taking place across the U.S. is rooted in many causes. Trying to assign blame—to the left or the right—is rather simplistic and not very informative. Sorry.

Certainly ANTIFA is militant, left-wing, anti-fascist political activist movement, but the movement has been widely criticized by both parties. And point in fact, the rioters on the ground are not organized under any one umbrella. There are ANTIFA people out there and there are also right-wing white supremacists. You could make a more salient argument that youth is the driving motivation behind these acts of violence, but that wouldn't be very informative either.

Protests are usually triggered by a social injustice, whether that is an injustice towards an individual or a group. As a protest gets larger, there is an increased chance that there will be a handful of people resorting to violence and destruction. This is just a fact of our society-- there are always a small number of people for which antisocial behavior is the norm.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... ne-rioting

But if you want to blame liberals, go right ahead.

But if you want to blame liberals, go right ahead.

I will

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... fires.html

Really? Burning down a police headquarters is a justified response?


(author left wing professor from Northwestern University)


Keep denying this anarchist promotion of violence is not a leftist full time hobby

More justification of violence by the left.

From Mother Jones (undisputed a left wing media outlet)

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justi ... mmer-2020/


liberals are continually whipped up by left wing media and academia to respond violently.
It's not even a disputable accusation..


The political bias that exists in small left wing online community bubbles, and large platforms like Twitter are completely silent on what is taking place throughout the country.
Most may not be condoning the violence but they certainly are not publicly CONDEMNING it either.


PROVE ME WRONG AND CONDEMN LEFT WING MEDIA FOR PUBLISHING THE JUSTIFICATION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST INNOCENTS AS A PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE FOR WHAT ONE STUPID IDIOT COP DID.

I am waiting.

Attorney General Barr: Antifa Rioters Will Be Treated as Domestic Terrorists
thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/attorney-g ... errorists/

I read that about 20,000 have been arrested nationwide. As domestic terrorists, for starters, they could lose all of their property. The cost of hiring lawyers to win it back would probably be more than the property's worth.

How the USA PATRIOT Act redefines "Domestic Terrorism"
"Section 806 amended the civil asset forfeiture statute to authorize the government to seize and forfeit: all assets, foreign or domestic of any individual, entity, or organization engaged in planning or perpetrating any act of domestic or international terrorism against the United States. ... The government can seize and/or freeze the assets on the mere assertion that there is probable cause to believe that the assets were involved in domestic terrorism. The assets are seized before a person is given a hearing, and often without notice...."
aclu.org/other/how-usa-patriot-act-rede ... -terrorism

The USA PATRIOT Act may be the most egregious piece of federal legislation the country has ever seen. But it's the law, and it might be used now to do some VERY harsh things. The 20,000 in custody could have their citizenship stripped from them. Should they be allowed to keep their citizenship?

Richmond Rioters Torched Home with Children inside Then Blocked Fire Department
thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/pure-evil- ... ent-video/

Minnesota Governor’s Daughter Was Tweeting Out Intel to Violent Looters and Rioters, Just Like Ilhan Omar’s Daughter Isra Hirsi
thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/breaking-e ... sra-hirsi/



EDIT: Antifa is an umbrella organization with about 30 or so organizations under it. The ACLU comes to mind. I expect the 20,000 rioters had their electronic devices confiscated upon arrest, and law enforcement will now analyze the data to follow the insurrectionists' networks. Under the Patriot Act, SUSPICION of terrorism is enough to trigger arrest. And suspected terrorists have no constitutionally-protected rights. You can be "disappeared," legally, according to the Act. You can be taken to a black-site prison and be subjected to "enhanced interrogation" every day for the rest of your life. And you are not guaranteed a trial. You lose your citizenship and, as a stateless person, you have no rights at all. That's the Patriot Act. We railed against it for ten years after it was passed, but nobody listened. If the Atty General employs the Patriot Act to pursue the rioters, then those cases will not necessarily be tried in open court.

ant wrote:I think we all were united and appalled by the brutality and inhumanity we all witnessed.

I think so too.

ant wrote:The left can't control their Frankenstein monster at the moment.
And leftist leadership has been totally impotent.

Now that's an interesting idea. So is the right responsible to control Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer, or the Charlottesville marchers, or the guy who used his car to kill Heather Heyer? As far as I know, no lives have been lost as a result of the George Floyd reaction riots. Is the right responsible to stop lynchers? Is the right responsible to stop the police from killing people over minor infractions? That is, in fact, a very interesting proposition. Waco, Idaho, Cliven Bundy? Any nasty character on the right is the responsibility of the entire right?

Doesn't sound too well thought out to me.

ant wrote:A big part of the problem within law enforcement and these bad apples who show their ugly head every so often is "the code of silence" systemic to the institution. We need good cops to call out bad cops before incidents like this happen. I'm fairly certain this last cop has a history of bad conduct that may or may not have been documented.

True, but three of the cops kneeled on Floyd. I'm betting none of the cops had ever practiced de-escalation. The code of silence is there, undoubtedly because no one wants the kind of internal tension that we have seen in the military, with fragging of officers in Vietnam and Edward Gallagher threatening his fellow soldiers over their efforts to restrain his wanton lethality. So what was Trump's response? He reversed the ouster of Gallagher over war crimes.

So how, exactly, is the code of silence going to end if the right wing continues to pose as tough guys and side with war crimes? The same thing has been happening in police forces around the nation. A cop is rarely held responsible for using lethal force out of adrenaline and contempt. The right wing considers killing scary people to be their job, and of course people of color are much scarier than white people. Every white juror knows that.

Harry Marks wrote: As far as I know, no lives have been lost as a result of the George Floyd reaction riots.

And so, also like clockwork, there are now deaths (four, I think I read) from the riots. I feel like our country is caught in one of those endless idiot civil wars, like Colombia had, and Sri Lanka had, and Chechnya had, and Yemen has. The right wing provokes the poor with violence and starves them of resources because they are not worthy, the poor respond with desperation, and their foolishness provides the excuse to oppress them even more. Neither worldview is much interested in seeing their way out, and people who don't think of force as the most important response to crime are not interested in being on the police force.

And the billionaires who manipulate white fragility to get their tax cuts can just sit back and laugh at what a good job they are doing.

ant wrote:. . . PROVE ME WRONG AND CONDEMN LEFT WING MEDIA FOR PUBLISHING THE JUSTIFICATION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST INNOCENTS AS A PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE FOR WHAT ONE STUPID IDIOT COP DID.

I am waiting.

I have to say, this is one of your more cringeworthy posts because it trivializes the angst and pain being felt in America right now. The George Floyd murder is only the latest in a long legacy of violence and entrenched racism blighting our news cycle for years and years, starting long before Colin Kaepernick began kneeling during football games.

Most recently, we’ve learned about Ahmaud Arbery, the black guy hunted down and shot several times by two white guys in a pickup truck. And remember Breonna Taylor, who was sleeping in her Louisville, Kentucky, apartment when cops executed a no-knock search warrant and barged into her home?

The one that still haunts me is the shooting of Walter Scott in 2015. I wish I had never seen that video.

Now . . . George Floyd.

So, yes, perhaps this is a proportional response to systemic racism and violence against blacks that never seems to stop. I thank you though for the Mother Jones article, which mentions a song by Mos Def . . .

Why did one straw break the camel's back?
Here's the secret
The million other straws underneath it
It's all mathematics

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justi ... mmer-2020/

I have to say, this is one of your more cringeworthy posts because it trivializes the angst and pain being felt in America right now.

Looting, vandalizing, assaulting, acts of arson, etc are not expressions of angst and pain. They are the irrational actions of barbarians.
To sweep aside such acts at a time like this is the equivalent of promoting thugmanship.
It is despicable and deplorable of you to do. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but your political ideology does not allow forthat.

If you had had your property vandalized ( I have - I own commercial property) you might feel differently.

I abhor violence in any form.. it is never justified and is counterproductive. Read some Gandhi instead of Che Guevara

"An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind"

Again, you will not overtly condemn the violence that is occurring against innocent people that had nothing to do with the Floyd tragedy.
It is brazenly cowardly of you.


Come over to downtown LA and help clean up the mess your lawless children have committed.
I will be a part of that because interpreting events ( ie "this is angst.. this is grief, this systemic) is not nearly as effective as rolling up your sleeves and doing something about it.
Volunteers started yesterday.

I will pay for your airfare and hotel.
How about it?

Since everyone's favorite retort seems to be a tu quoque fallacy, I'll play along.

What did Obama/Biden specifically do in 8 years to help quash systemic racism?

What progress was made prior to Trump?

Were blacks better off?

Were hispanics better off?

Was there less police brutality?

Was there less racism?

Were there less cages at the border?

America has now seen how dangerous leftists are. Leftists have no future in elected politics, so they'll continue to grab for power through violence. If Trump and the Atty General declare Antifa (with its dozens of member groups) to be domestic terrorists, then police and military will be free to open fire on the terrorist hordes. That may be coming pretty quickly.

And this is interesting:

Minneapolis police rendered 44 people unconscious with neck restraints in five years
(So, the killer cop was using a restraint technique that the mayor approved of?)
nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-po ... s-n1220416



“I Honor Her. She is Such a Good Human Being” – Mayor De Blasio Responds to His Daughter’s Arrest at Weekend Protests
thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/must-see-e ... organized/



Mysterious Stacks of Bricks Are Being Delivered to Numerous US Cities – More Evidence Riots Are Organized!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/0 ... organized/