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Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:13 pm
by LanDroid
Day 1 Jan. 6, 2021 The votes for Georgia are challenged by a representative and a senator. The joint session is adjourned for two hours where, as shown by that Texas lawsuit, coherent arguments in the House and Senate are not required, just rabble rousing. When the joint session is reconvened, the House votes down the objections while the Senate approves the objections. Georgia’s votes are counted, but 4 hours total have passed.

Next Michigan’s votes are challenged, same scenario as above. Michigan’s votes are approved. The joint session closes at 7 pm.

Day 2 Jan. 7 Overnight the right wing media goes insane, calling for challenges to every state that Biden won.
Pennsylvania’s votes are challenged but ultimately accepted. 5 hours wasted.
Wisconsin’s votes are challenged. Same thing. The joint session closes at 11 pm with 46 states to go.

Day 3 Jan. 8 Armed gangs start marching around Washington DC. Perhaps California’s votes are challenged along with all other states that Biden won. Who knows how many days they can can drag this out, but ultimately Biden "wins." (air quotes)

- LanDroid
12/13/2020
At that time I hoped I was being paranoid, but I underestimated the craziness. Protestors stormed the capitol in the first hour!
Do we still have a functioning democracy?

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:20 pm
by geo
LanDroid wrote: At that time I hoped I was being paranoid, but I underestimated the craziness. Protestors stormed the capitol in the first hour!
Do we still have a functioning democracy?
I've been listening to the joint session proceedings tonight and amazingly it seems that many Republicans who had previously gone along with Trump's madness have now reached a breaking point. In inciting a mob, Trump apparently crossed a line today. I had long given up that there was a line. Even Lindsey Graham has unequivocally endorsed Biden's and Harris' election. And Trump's twitter account has been suspended. What a crazy day!

Two weeks to go and PSfB will be gone. And President Biden will preside over a Democrat-controlled Senate and House. So, yes, I think we still have a functioning democracy!

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:44 am
by Robert Tulip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_ina ... auguration

Inauguration of President Jackson
As he had entered, Jackson left on the west front of the Capitol, for the crowd had broken the ship's cable and surged forward. He proceeded to mount a white horse and rode up Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House. While this happened people were climbing in through the windows to get into the White House.

The White House was opened to all for a post-inaugural reception and was filled by the public even before Jackson arrived on horseback. Soon afterward, Jackson left by a window or a side entrance, and proceeded to Gadsby's Hotel in Old Town Alexandria, Virginia. The crowd continued to descend into a drunken mob, only dispersed when bowls of liquor and punch were placed on the front lawn of the White House. "I never saw such a mixture," said Joseph Story, then a justice of the Supreme Court: "The reign of King Mob seemed triumphant." The White House was left a mess, including several thousand dollars worth of broken china.

The crowd at the White House was mixed. The first arrivals were the people who made up Washington society. The second crowd that showed up at the mansion was made up of Jackson supporters who were dressed in their best clothes. What happened next doesn't seem to be disputed: The White House wasn't prepared for the crowd as it pressed in through the front door and sought out Jackson, along with the food and whiskey-laced punch. Jackson found himself pressed into a situation with his back to a wall until his people were able to get him away from the crowd, and back to his hotel.

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:53 am
by Interbane
geo wrote:I've been listening to the joint session proceedings tonight and amazingly it seems that many Republicans who had previously gone along with Trump's madness have now reached a breaking point. In inciting a mob, Trump apparently crossed a line today. I had long given up that there was a line. Even Lindsey Graham has unequivocally endorsed Biden's and Harris' election. And Trump's twitter account has been suspended. What a crazy day!

Two weeks to go and PSfB will be gone. And President Biden will preside over a Democrat-controlled Senate and House. So, yes, I think we still have a functioning democracy!
The bellows will be pumping furiously over the next 4 years. I think we'll see a surge, like stopping antibiotics for a while.

I saw something about McConnell agreeing to the 2k per person, if we upended a law that made social media companies immune from their posters content. A few years back, I firmly agreed that they shouldn't be held accountable. They can't control how people use their platform. But now I'm thinking it might be necessary. Facebook should be held accountable to what it's users post. (I'm looking for a debate, maybe in another thread).

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:46 pm
by LanDroid
^ I'm not sure that's what the social media controversy is about. I think it's more like right wingers want to post the ugliest propaganda, not be blocked, and sue over any attempts to be silenced. Sounds like fun. :roll: Need to check further.

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:34 pm
by geo
Interbane wrote:A few years back, I firmly agreed that they shouldn't be held accountable. They can't control how people use their platform. But now I'm thinking it might be necessary. Facebook should be held accountable to what it's users post. (I'm looking for a debate, maybe in another thread).
I think there are two issues here. 1) Should social media companies be held responsible for what is posted on their platforms? And do social media companies even have a right to censor the speech of others?

Regarding the first question, there's a 1996 law on the books (Section 230) that provides legal immunity from liability for internet services and users for content posted on the internet. Ironically, Trump has called for this law to be revoked because he feels that he is always being attacked on social media.

Regarding the second question, social media companies do in fact try to monitor content. For example, Twitter regularly flags Trump's fact-challenged tweets and Facebook has just taken the step of banning President Trump until he leaves office. I would say that is absolutely the company's right and responsibility to take such actions. If violence happens as a result of false information or incendiary words being propagated on its social media platform, the company would be perceived as partly responsible, and its bottom line might suffer accordingly. And since these are private companies, the first amendment doesn't really come into play, does it?

What seems especially weird to me is that we have a POTUS who uses social media almost exclusively to communicate with the American people. As such, he is required to adhere to those companies' policies regarding content. This is unprecedented territory, a good example of trying to adapt to new technology where there aren't always easy answers.

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:41 pm
by DWill
Pence won't initiate 25th amendment, not enough time for impeachment process and little chance for 2/3 of senators to agree even if there was. We're at his mercy for the next 13 days.

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:38 am
by geo
DWill wrote:Pence won't initiate 25th amendment, not enough time for impeachment process and little chance for 2/3 of senators to agree even if there was. We're at his mercy for the next 13 days.
Nancy Pelosi's threat to impeach carries more weight now that Democrats have a majority in House and Senate. I'm not sure how it would play out since Trump will likely already be gone by the time the impeachment hearings wrap up. Except that it would probably put the nail in the coffin of Trump's political career. It would be far better I think if Trump resigned.

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:32 am
by DWill
geo wrote:
DWill wrote:Pence won't initiate 25th amendment, not enough time for impeachment process and little chance for 2/3 of senators to agree even if there was. We're at his mercy for the next 13 days.
Nancy Pelosi's threat to impeach carries more weight now that Democrats have a majority in House and Senate. I'm not sure how it would play out since Trump will likely already be gone by the time the impeachment hearings wrap up. Except that it would probably put the nail in the coffin of Trump's political career. It would be far better I think if Trump resigned.
I don't want to see Trump pardoned, which would happen if he resigned. Trump wouldn't resign without an understanding from Pence that pardon goes along with it. He's more likely now to stay, I think, and that makes it important for the House to impeach on Monday. Then Trump might be constrained from continuing his crazed behavior, knowing there could be a possibility of conviction by the Senate--even after Biden's sworn in.

Re: Trump Watch

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:20 am
by LanDroid
Impeachment may feel like a waste of time and energy at this point, however during that process Congress has the authority to disqualify Trump from future office. That must happen! If Trump resigns, is removed by the 25th Amendment, or is pardoned, he could run again. We cannot bank on Trump being unelectable in 2024, that must be precluded. Impeach, Disqualify, and Convict!

So Trump is out 1/20/2021 for sure. But wait! As I said when introducing the Jan 6 vote counting scenario - there is always another scam! The next thing to prepare for is Sunday January 17. Right wingers are planning armed protests in all 50 state capitols. See poster below. Will this peter out is it the beginning of something long forewarned yet unimaginable?

And of course there are threats on inauguration three days later.

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