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Author: | Harry Marks [ Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
What can we say about the cacophony of contradictions coming about the President's medical condition? I wish him a speedy recovery, though even my cursory acquaintance with covid attacks tells me we can't be confident he will recover at all, much less fully recover. The obvious nemesis following hubris is too overwrought. It's more like, if you play with fire you are likely to get burned. Trump has only a passing acquaintance with truthfulness, and I don't suppose he has ever experienced its possibilities of offering safety. So he was never going to try sharing the truth for a change. If you have ever seen that sort of manipulation in families (it doesn't have to be narcissism - some people are just controlling to the point of inability to trust others to handle the truth) then you understand that the tangled web of lies doesn't get messier and messier or break all at once, it just drags on and gets more and more disgusting. I'm not surprised this is finally dragging his poll numbers down. Coming on top of the disgraceful debate performance, and tracking along with continued negative economic news combined with serious warnings about failing to control covid, it would have been astonishing for it to have no significant impact at all. I know some people expected a sympathy bounce like Boris Johnson got, but I fear anyone inclined to interpret this superspreader mess through sympathy was already in the Trump column. Older folks and moms, by contrast, just feel threatened. This fool has done way too much damage to just furrow your brow with concern for him. |
Author: | DWill [ Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
When Trump reported from the hospital, "I get it," some people were inveigled into saying that maybe, just maybe, he would emerge from the experience a "sadder and a wiser man," like the Ancient Mariner. But that would be a poetic or cinematic ending, not the type we get in real life. For him to start talking in real, rather than fantasy terms, would require a personality switch, not just a revision of his view on one issue. One possible side effect of the strong steroid he's taking is euphoria or mania. With Trump, it's not a big leap from his normal psychology to an abnormal state. I look at an action like canceling any negotiations on a stimulus bill until after his declared reelection and wonder about where such impulsivity, not even benefiting him politically, could come from. One possibility is that he truly thinks that focusing all energy on getting Coney Barrett onto the Court will enable him to challenge fraudulent ballots should he "lose." But then we're moving into the realm of delusion. |
Author: | geo [ Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
Alas, Trump's belligerent and bellicose nature prove to be his Achilles' heel when it comes to dealing with this pandemic. All the months of playing it down and minimizing its risks—foregoing masks and social distancing—have come to kick him in the rear. With so many of his advisors now in quarantine, and the critical time period for recovery still some days away, he insists he's ready for next week's debate with Joe Biden. The man is delusional. He's a tough cookie for sure, but perhaps this is not a quality that meshes very well with being POTUS. It's's also very difficult to imagine the timing for getting COVID could be worse, politically speaking. I hear he's not getting much of a sympathy bounce from his sickness, but this of course is his fault too. Arrogance is not conducive to sympathy. Trump seems perfectly willing to expose others to the virus, all just to maintain appearances. WIN at all costs. Trump certainly cannot be blamed for 200,000 Covid deaths in the U.S. He's a victim of circumstance to some extent. But then his chutzpah and inability to listen to experts or reason, even from his own party, now showcases a spectacular fall from grace and continue to show his shocking unsuitability for this office. Wow, what a week. And it's only Wednesday. |
Author: | DWill [ Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
You said it. Reminds us of the Greek maxim: your character is your destiny. It's logically inexplicable to me that after he took the active step of the China travel ban, he did so little. That action makes sense, though, in terms of Trump looking only to place blame on others. (The blame was justified, but he stopped way short of leading the country through the crisis.). |
Author: | Taylor [ Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
PSfB’s travel ‘ban’ only was directed at those who were foreign nationals who had visited China within the previous 14 days and did not include the most important potentials of covid 19 vectors, which was Americans and permanent residents traveling from Hubei province. These were people who were primarily tourists and businness class travelers who were ‘exited to tell their stories of travels to their loved ones and that’s the geniuses of the spread of covid 19. PSfB failed to not only recognize the danger but more grotesquely, he lied about the true danger that was to come. PSfB can, and deserves the finger point of blame for the deaths of 200,010 thousand and counting. It has been the Trump show for better than four years and it has been a disaster through and through. I’m going out on a limb here,but I just cannot agree with some of the parsimonious leeway given to PSfB and the policies laid forth; loading the judiciary with ‘originalist’ (a horribly arcane interpretation) , Placing the obscenely rich in positions of power that when colluded with others of likewise obscene wealth are in a position to overpower not only individual state governments but more so the federal government. Please think about what I have just proposed, The Federal Government is what stands between the community and an oppressive conglomerate. Geo: I love you but it’s not just “a week” . You and me we’er close to the same age. This week has been our lifetime. We are living the culmination of catastrophically poor ideas. Bad ideas that start with Ronald Reagan’s ‘City on a Hill” and ended up with Steve Bannon’s ‘Deconstruction of the Administrative State’. PSfB is no surprise ! We’ve been handed what we may have been asking for and we are shocked (possibly) and maybe even disgusted by what we actually got. I’ve admitted my part in this catastrophe and I can tell you first hand that neither Biden nor Harris have or would admit theirs. If there is a legitimate criticism of the debates that we have been given, It is just that. It’s the part of ‘politics’ that I hate and I am besides myself trying to fix that. My all being desire to get rid of PSfB should not be confused with bias, on the contrary, I am skeptical of all politicians no matter their party affiliation but we have an opportunity, a unique confluence of generational desire to complete some social projects that started the ‘New Deal’ and are culminating in some unnamed idea that binds the dyeing Baby Boomers and this newest generation of kids who are called ‘Gen Z’. It is my thinking that there is something available to are time that has not been present since the ‘Great Generation’ was passing the ‘American Century’ to what would be called the WWII generation. Think about it?. There has to be a proper, or more appropriatela or correct, trans generational / trans special cooperative relationship otherwise these ‘kids’ will do without and for them history will note that we just let them down. I’m tired, I’m going to chill out and get my mind ready for a new day. ![]() |
Author: | DWill [ Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:59 am ] | |||||||||
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Travel bans would be just one measure a country might use to combat a disease entering. Trump's had significant holes, but my point is that he put it into effect even before Fauci said we had a serious problem. So it might have been expected that Trump was just getting started. What happened? It would seem at first glance like an opportunity to show strong leadership, one that could help him win an election. Was it his fear that responding with restrictions would damage the economy that he saw as his great achievement, that held him back? Or was it that Trump projected his own fear of appearing weak and vulnerable onto the entire country? He was an early convert to Norman Vincent Peale's power of positive thinking. I'm inclined to think that the work of fighting the virus just wasn't up his alley. The work required close cooperation with many other people from both parties and implied the sharing of credit--something Trump hates to do. Detail work requiring patience and incremental progress doesn't allow the grand gestures Trump craves. The whole task probably bored him. |
Author: | Taylor [ Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
I think that part of PSfB’s early travel restrictions was more an attempt at ‘throwing shade’ towards the Chinese government than any actual understanding of the potential dangers that faced the U.S. I have a hard time thinking that there is truth to the idea that PSfB had a better understanding of the threat that C 19 posed than Fauci but I doubt it. I think that both the White House and the CDC as represented by PSfB and Fauci respectively underestimated the threat. PSfB’s underestimation was to my hindsight opinion, political. Fauci’s underestimation was to, again, my hindsight opinion, due to a factual vacuum. They simply underestimated the threat. The CDC is not an enforcement agency, they can only create guidelines which they did recommend as their understanding of the threat grew. Meanwhile PSfB represented C 19 as a minor concern that would just go away. I think that PSfB does get bored easily, especially when he is the focus of bad press. I get it, placing such pressure on a single mind, particularly a mind as warped as PSfB’s can create an interesting dilemma for a public that functions best when life is mostly a matter of routine. Covid 19 is not a routine virus, in fact it is something new and therefore cannot be compared with past outbreaks. Unfortunately for Fauci, at the time PSfB instituted his meager travel restrictions Fauci considered C19 to be containable in the sense that they were able to contain SARS, Ebola, MERS just to name the viruses that are comparative, relative to a January 2020 understanding of coronavirus. One of the most important things to consider, when considering economics is diversification. The shutdown of the social portion, the service sector portion of the U.S. economy should be taken as more of a ‘canary in a coal mine’ analogy of the down side of the USA’s dependence on the service sector as being the primary source of GDP. So it stands to reason that PSfB was early on sweating bullets, and now with his personal diagnosis of Covid 19 infection he is also sucking wind. |
Author: | Harry Marks [ Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
His Messiahship has been giving out favors for donations. Not a big surprise, I suppose, but it gives us good reason to be disgusted by his continued business operation while in office. The New York Times had an expose out at the end of last week, showing incredible amounts of favors for money. The big surprise is that people don't always get their favors. He loses track, things don't materialize, you know how it is. Perhaps the biggest gift was about $11 million from a casino magnate (not Sheldon Adelson) who is a partner with Trump and just paid him a bunch of money. He may be in tax trouble over it, and he is almost certainly in violation of the law on campaign contributions since it was clearly given in response to his running out of money in 2016. But his buddy was hoping for Federal funding of a high-speed train from L.A. to Vegas, which never materialized. Nobody really wants to think about all the people who have staged events at Mar-a-Lago or one of his other venues, in hopes of making contacts or getting favors done, but the Times compiled a long list. My favorite story, though, is from a Fortune Magazine writer, interviewed on Fresh Air if I remember right, who was trying to check out Trump's income from the Towers and found that an entire floor, worth hundreds of thousands per year, was being rented by a front for one of the Persian Gulf States, and was absolutely empty. Peering in through glass walls, he saw dead flowers from many months before, but no other sign of people. But hey, corrupt is fine with the Right, because conservatives on the courts. |
Author: | Robert Tulip [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:46 am ] | |||||||||
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My Bible Study group last night read Psalm 73, a remarkably modern plea about the difficulty of maintaining faith in God in view of the prosperity of the wicked. The hypocrisy of Trumpian Christians is put in stark relief by this psalm, which castigates the wicked for their malicious and arrogant oppression and iniquity: "Behold, these are the wicked— always carefree as they increase their wealth." A focus on abortion as a Christian policy priority is like what Jesus called 'straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel'. Psalm 73 concludes that hypocrisy is a betrayal of the future, whereas the purpose of authentic faith is to construct a stronghold that can be sustained for ever. So the Trumpians are on a path of doom:
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Author: | DWill [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
I volunteer at our local food pantry. Today, the Farmers for Families Food Boxes arrived. You may have heard of these a few weeks ago when it was announced that each box would contain a letter signed by President Trump. The letter ballyhoos Trump's deep concern for the welfare of citizens. I found ironic the guidance on avoiding the coronavirus--this from someone who tells us not to worry and who sets the worst example possible. We needed to open the boxes, since we couldn't distribute them right away, and they contained some food that needed to be refrigerated. We don't have large enough coolers to store 100 boxes. When I opened the first box and saw the letter on top, I didn't see immediately that the letter was also printed on the right and left flaps of the box itself (in English and Spanish). This was apparently to thwart volunteers who might want to break open the boxes and trash the leader's letter. The CEO of our parent food bank didn't appreciate what he or she saw, presumably, as Trump using taxpayer resources to give himself a political boost three weeks before the election. We were directed to throw away the letters and cut the flaps off each box. I did this willingly, but a couple of the other volunteers complained that the CEO was "being political." |
Author: | Robert Tulip [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:56 pm ] | |||||||||
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Umair Haque is an incisive commentator on Trump, writing at https://medium.com/@umairh Here is an interesting piece from last month that provides an important analysis.
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Author: | DB Roy [ Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:21 pm ] | |||||||||
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I think it was this and more. Showing concern, taking precautions against possible infections, leading by example in terms wearing a mask in public and such, grinds against Trump's doctrine of toxic masculinity. Real men don't wear masks and caution people to protect themselves and show concern about not transmitting disease to others--no, that just runs counter to Trump's idea that a real man does not act like such a pantywaisted, little simp. He's not here to be our little den mother, damn it! Suck it up! When Trump contracted the disease himself, he used it to show how strong and tough he is. "Look at me! I had the virus and yet here I am as fit as ever and ready to get back to work after three days!! Nobody else has ever been able to do that! Doctors were amazed!" There is a true account that he actually was going to go before the cameras wearing a Superman shirt which someone managed to stop it. And never a word about those who have died and who are preparing to die. He's made covid all about him. It's HIS personal struggle and he's conquered it!!! Never mind that he's made half the White House sick. If any of them die, don't expect Donald Trump to care. They weren't strong like him!!! Never mind that he has round-the-clock medical care and every medicine--no matter how rare or expensive--will be supplied to him to keep him alive at all costs. What matters is that having covid and surviving it proves he is of superior genetic stock. He's the Trump-N-ator!! Meanwhile Joe Biden is everything about masculinity that Trump hates: he wears a mask, he shows concern, he strives to heal the nation like some fucking faggot in nurse's drag. He's weak. He is not a man. Again, this was something Mary Trump warned us about concerning Trump's character. When he watched his father mercilessly berate his older brother into an early grave, he learned never to let your true feelings show. A real man has no feelings. A real man does what must be done and never lets sentimentality cloud his judgment. So, Trump joined his father is tearing his brother down. He learned the power of taunting, baiting, jeering, taking pleasure in others' misfortunes and not caring what happens to anyone else. It all proves his own genetic superiority. |
Author: | DWill [ Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:14 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The germ-phobic president who flouts simple means of preventing virus spread; the president who acknowledged to Bob Woodward that coronavirus was a major threat, yet at many junctures afterwards told Americans that it was not--this makes no sense at all. It might be you're right, that the ethos he inherited from Fred Sr.--to be a "killer" in every situation, no matter the evidence stacked up against him--is really the only way Trump knows how to conduct himself. An inflexible pattern of behavior is what characterizes personality disorder, and that's what we have before us in Donald Trump.
Remember "I get it now"?, which were among Trump's first words from Walter Reed? Some folks, mistakenly assuming a normal psychology in Trump, thought he had reflected on his past actions and would emerge from his illness with a new appreciation of the care he needed to show toward the country suffering so badly from covid. But before long it was, "Don't let the virus dominate your life," with the clear message what he had done (with super-elite medical care, as you say), all could do.
His father appears to have given him a good base in sociopathic business practices. It was Roy Cohn who schooled Trump in the specific tactics he would need to win in the high-stakes world of Manhattan real estate. Anyway, both did their jobs well. |
Author: | Harry Marks [ Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:48 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I thought this was an insightful and rousing discussion, but I also want to take issue with some parts of it. Starting with the fact that the principle opposed to those civilised values is much more complex than simply authoritarianism as if that is chosen for its own sake. No one I know gives away all that he or she has, just because of caring and concern. There are opposing considerations of prudence, management and simple selfish preoccupation. And if you think about it, fascism is an institutional version of these. The trains run on time. People are expected to conform and uphold the solidarity of the group vs other groups. Some normative version of social values is promoted for all to accept. The venerable film of the classroom experiment in fascism "The Wave" demonstrated how it holds the promise of effectiveness. The students did their homework, by God.
Fascism's disdain for science is well known. But this is a good time to stop and think what is going on. People's need for singular authority, concentrated into purest form as support for some megalomaniac who can only desire more power, shoves aside whatever other priorities might appear to conflict. It happens in religion, it happens in politics. When reason itself takes a back seat to the apparent priorities of the group, then the train is going to derail. QAnon Nation is but a step away.
The states have strategies. There are public health officials and tripwires for various levels of openings and closings. Granted it is far more decentralized than would be optimal for good policy, but as we speak, no state has failed to fail, so to speak. Just as Europe's policies might have been more effective if they were all centralized, coordinated and more uniform, so the US failure to coordinate has weaknesses but is also natural and not so obviously at great fault.
This is not, fundamentally, about authoritarianism. But it is about failure to exercise care for others. America does not just have a history of using the poor for the benefit of the rich, it also has a history of vast and unprecedented opportunity. Land for anyone, to put it in the simplest possible terms. We have recently been asked to consider the collateral damage on Native Americans and African-Americans, and that is nothing to sneeze at. It has infected our ability to look with objectivity on straightforward policy choices that other countries have no trouble with. But at the core, Americans are heavily invested in the myth that anyone can make it with determination and grit. We really have to work on accommodating the competing principles that often get shoved aside by this myth, but it is also a good baby to keep as we throw out the bathwater.
I am all for caring - I think the disdain for the lives of the old was and is barbaric. I think it is shocking, and more than a little fascist, how the right wing has blithely ignored the lives of their fellow citizens on the excuse that "it mainly kills old people." But I am also deeply suspicious of ideologies that say we must bear any burden for the alleviation of anyone's suffering. My priority would be on preventing either principle - individual liberty vs. social support - from dictating policy in disregard for the facts. |
Author: | Harry Marks [ Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Trump Watch |
Trump's Administration, and the evil Barr, have done another good thing, worth saluting. By going after Google for exclusive contracts and other means of leveraging its search dominance to gain more dominance, the Administration has put some teeth back into anti-trust enforcement, and restored some balance to the power that comes from network advantages. Let Facebook look to its policies as well. I never thought I would be glad for anything WalMart did, but their development of on-line shopping is almost the only realistic check on Amazon's growing power in retail. |
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