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Author:  ant [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

Being the fair and reasonable person you are, I have to ask..,did you ever given Trump credit for his Middle East accomplishment or are you giving yourself and Obama credit for it?

Truth be told, Obama left office with nothing more than a drone bomb legacy.
Remember that?

Author:  Harry Marks [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

So now we are treated by Bill Barr to the pleasure of having taxpayer money defend our Dear Leader from a defamation suit stemming from his rape of E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/nyre ... -rape.html

There are other accounts on line if that one has a paywall.

Apparently there is a law that protects Federal employees from lawsuits (presumably so that questionable government behavior does not land in the lap of some hapless functionary - hardly the case we are talking about). Anything to stall till after November.

But a ruling permitting the discovery process to go forward has Trump on the hook to provide a DNA sample to compare to the dress she had on at the time. Sound familiar? Maybe Donnie had Clinton envy?

So, he denies having done such a thing ("she's not my type") but of course his big chance to exonerate himself will be met by stalling and legal maneuvering. Because, well, jeez, I get tired of pointing out the obvious about his lies.

So I would just note that his projection onto Mexican immigrants is glaring for all to see. Pointing the finger and calling them rapists. Huh.

Author:  ant [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

Trump has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Congrats.

When you think of a past president who was at war his entire 8 years in office, bombed the hell out of the middle east the entire time, and built cages to hold immigrants, hey, why not, since you, Mr President actually achieved something positive in the middle east that lesser men will never admit.

Author:  ant [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

Quote:
So I would just note that his projection onto Mexican immigrants is glaring for all to see. Pointing the finger and calling them rapists. Huh.



I am Mexican.

This is white liberal bullshit.

Trump did not "call" all Mexicans immigrants rapists. He was referring to the many criminal elements that do in fact make their way across the border (mixed in with good, decent immigrants).

Author:  Interbane [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

It's apparent that Trump is racist. If you can't see it, you're in denial. Naturally he can't harm his image publicly, but we can look to those who've been around him. Everyone who speaks out about him mentions his racist language. Like Cohen, who recalls Trump saying "'Plus, I will never get the Hispanic vote. Like the blacks, they're too stupid to vote for Trump. They're not my people.'"

Author:  DWill [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

Keep in mind that being nominated won't mean much if a majority of the Nobel committee doesn't vote for Trump. It's not even as much of a distinction as being nominated for an Oscar, since it's just one of thousands of eligible people who nominated Trump. I'm not saying the Israel-UAE accord isn't a significant achievement, but it's questionable whether the Nobel committee will see this as groundbreaking without the key element of a Palestinian homeland included. Is it just as good as what Obama did to merit the prize? Could be; I haven't gone back to look.

Say Trump gets the Nobel Prize this October (which I think is very unlikely). He still doesn't deserve to be our president.

Author:  ant [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

Interbane wrote:
It's apparent that Trump is racist. If you can't see it, you're in denial. Naturally he can't harm his image publicly, but we can look to those who've been around him. Everyone who speaks out about him mentions his racist language. Like Cohen, who recalls Trump saying "'Plus, I will never get the Hispanic vote. Like the blacks, they're too stupid to vote for Trump. They're not my people.'"



This is the typical hypocrisy espoused primarily by white liberals who have never experienced racism and have bestowed a self righteous authority on themselves to point it out to people of color.

What the typical politically motivated white man is really saying here is not "if you can't see it."
What is being said is "I, as a white authority, can tell you WHEN you should be offended by allegations of racism and who is in fact a racist"

NONSENSE

Racism, biases, etc are not unique to Trump and they certainly have been found to be characteristics of other (old) white politicians.
Youtube Biden's consistent condescending tone he carries when he speaks to black Americans.


Personal 3rd party recollections do not count as evidence.

You'd like for me to be offended by something stupid like Trump eating a taco salad, pandering for the Hispanic vote.
I, and many other Hispanic people I know from the left and right will not be outraged by nonsense or unsubstantiated accusations against any white politician. Particularly if the accuser is himself white. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

You aren't fooling anyone with your virtue signaling.
Stop it.

Author:  Interbane [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

ant wrote:
Personal 3rd party recollections do not count as evidence.


You reject a character witness not because it's invalid, but because you just want to argue.

Quote:
This is the typical hypocrisy espoused primarily by white liberals who have never experienced racism and have bestowed a self righteous authority on themselves to point it out to people of color.


Get off your high horse. I've experienced racism and I can recognize racism. It's everywhere and white people are targeted by it also. I'm guilty of it, having been raised in a household with a racist father.

I'm not telling you when to be offended, or if you should care. I'm saying your defense of the orange idiot is misplaced.

Author:  ant [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

Quote:
You reject a character witness not because it's invalid, but because you just want to argue.


Oh!!! I shouldn't argue about this!! I should be a good Mexican and take it as truth!!

Character witnesses are for courts of law where they can be cross examined and material evidence can be presented and properly evaluated for relevance.
Nice try.


You get off your high horse, buddy.





i don't hold any anger against virtue signalers. And I certainly am not mad at a particular group just because they are of a different color.
There are lots of good people everywhere, from every culture, and every color.

I understand that we all commit the same errors in reasoning from time to time and use the same heuristics.
Many people want to be considered authorities in a particular topic and some even dunning kruger themselves again and again without realizing it.

As it relates specifically to this, I forgive your ignorance.

Chill out. Go milk one of your cows.

Author:  Harry Marks [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

Harry Marks wrote:
So I would just note that his projection onto Mexican immigrants is glaring for all to see. Pointing the finger and calling them rapists. Huh.
ant wrote:
I am Mexican. This is white liberal bullshit.
Trump did not "call" all Mexicans immigrants rapists. He was referring to the many criminal elements that do in fact make their way across the border (mixed in with good, decent immigrants).

Here's the quote:
Quote:
"When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"
Note what is implied by "they're not sending their best." So your family of origin was not Mexico's "best"? Everybody knows that people have problems and bring problems with them when they move. But this quote is an accusation, and a characterization. It would have been easy to use terms like "includes" that put some context on it. But Trump doesn't deal in context. He deals in attacks. And that is quite obviously an attack.

I never said he called all Mexican immigrants rapists. But I cannot imagine what would motivate any person of Mexican ancestry to paper over this as though it was an even-handed regret about the full humanity of immigrants. Trump's idea of balance is, "and some, I assume, are good people." As though there is a sprinkling of normal folks mixed in with "people that have lots of problems."

Then there's the picture painted by "they're sending . . . " as though some official organization is unloading the really bad people into the United States, as Castro once let people out of jail to send to America.

Author:  Harry Marks [ Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

My wife showed me a Facebook meme showing a fire alarm. "This is a Trump alarm. It remains silent, so no one will panic."

This is the week we learned that Dear Leader was too kind to mention that the new virus is airborne or that it is more deadly than the flu he was publicly saying it was equivalent to.

And in related news, a whistleblower at the Department of Homeland Security let us know that he had been pressured to slant the counterintelligence assessment to downplay the threat from white supremacists and other right-wing extremists, which are objectively more deadly than antifas by far, as well as Russian interference in the election. I'm betting the pee tape is real.

Author:  DWill [ Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

Politicians have been generally wary of going on "60 Minutes" for fear of exposure by a tough interviewer. Yet Trump shows eagerness to have Bob Woodward visit for 18 interviews? Supposedly, Lindsay Graham urged Trump into the project. Trump must have seen the whole thing as flattering, to be the subject of a book by the most famous political reporter of our era. He must have been confident that he could turn Woodward into an admirer by displaying command of subjects such as the novel corona virus. Did Trump experience any "uh-oh" as he publicly "downplayed" the virus, knowing that Mr. Watergate himself would be telling the world what Trump knew and when he knew it?

Author:  asya47 [ Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

How tired of this political news, pandemic, uprisings. It's very difficult in all this fuss ... Books and various systems of self-knowledge, astrology, Volikov's test, yoga, meditation help me ... All this helps me to establish contact with myself and deepen ❤️ And how do you cope with constant stress?

Author:  DB Roy [ Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

ant wrote:
Quote:
So I would just note that his projection onto Mexican immigrants is glaring for all to see. Pointing the finger and calling them rapists. Huh.



I am Mexican.

This is white liberal bullshit.

Trump did not "call" all Mexicans immigrants rapists. He was referring to the many criminal elements that do in fact make their way across the border (mixed in with good, decent immigrants).


"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

He didn't even say illegal immigrants. And he assumes that some Mexicans are good people. He assumes. He's never met a good Mexican but he assumes some are good. Before you weren't supporting Trump. Nobody here believed you. Now shut up, ya fucking dick.

Author:  DB Roy [ Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trump Watch

I have to give Trump more credit. I admit that I thought he was too stupid to know how deadly this pandemic is. Turns out I was wrong. He knew EXACTLY how deadly this pandemic is and then he turned around sold his followers a big, fat dose of covid. And they bought it. Couldn't buy it fast enough.

Problem is, I'm not sure even this is enough to keep him from getting reelected. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of outrage. Hopefully, I'm wrong about that too.

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