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Author:  DWill [ Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:23 am ]
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ant wrote:
Interbane wrote:
Oh c'mon, of all his gaffe's, I don't see that as being one. And even more embarrassing are trumpanzees overlooking incidents like Trump saying trees will explode.

The issues are on both sides. One side thinks the other is overlooking their own gaffe's, because each side only points out the gaffe's of the other. All you can say about Trump's comments is that they get you weirdly turned on. Well, perhaps he is your candidate after all.


"what about the other guy" is not a rational argument, sorry.
The fact remains.

There's an implied double standard at work when in the context of a political debate, minor stuff by one guy gets attacked, while the other guy's more blatant bloopers are ignored.

Author:  KindaSkolarly [ Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 173 Declared Democratic Presidential Candidates

BREAKING: Senate Finance and Homeland Security Committees Release DEVASTATING Report on Hunter Biden, Burisma and Corruption — CROOKED BIDEN FAMILY ENRICHED THEMSELVES AND OBAMA KNEW!

Some highlights from the report:

* In early 2015 the former Acting Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine, George Kent, raised concerns to officials in Vice President Joe Biden’s office about the perception of a conflict of interest with respect to Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board...

* In October 2015, senior State Department official Amos Hochstein raised concerns with Vice President Biden, as well as with Hunter Biden, that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board enabled Russian disinformation efforts and risked undermining U.S. policy in Ukraine....

* Former Secretary of State John Kerry had knowledge of Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board, but when asked about it at a town hall event in Nashua, N.H. on Dec. 8, 2019, Kerry falsely said, “I had no knowledge about any of that. None. No.” Evidence to the contrary is detailed in Section V.

* Andrii Telizhenko, the Democrats’ personification of Russian disinformation, met with Obama administration officials, including Elisabeth Zentos, a member of Obama’s National Security Council, at least 10 times....

* In addition to the over $4 million paid by Burisma for Hunter Biden’s and Archer’s board memberships, Hunter Biden, his family, and Archer received millions of dollars from foreign nationals with questionable backgrounds.

*Archer received $142,300 from Kenges Rakishev of Kazakhstan, purportedly for a car, the same day Vice President Joe Biden appeared with Ukrainian Prime Minister Arsemy Yasenyuk and addressed Ukrainian legislators in Kyiv regarding Russia’s actions in Crimea.

* Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.

* Hunter Biden opened a bank account with Gongwen Dong to fund a $100,000 global spending spree with James Biden and Sara Biden.

* Hunter Biden had business associations with Ye Jianming, Gongwen Dong, and other Chinese nationals linked to the Communist government and the People’s Liberation Army. Those associations resulted in millions of dollars in cash flow.

* Hunter Biden paid nonresident women who were nationals of Russia or other Eastern European countries and who appear to be linked to an “Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.”

thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breaking-s ... vastating/

So Hunter Biden was apparently involved in prostitution and sex trafficking. And his dad knew about it. And Obama knew about it. I hope Trump works this info into all of his debate statements.


Biden Brags About Firing Ukraine Prosecutor
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=biden+brags+a ... &ia=videos

The prosecutor was messing with Hunter's Burisma dealings.

Author:  Harry Marks [ Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 173 Declared Democratic Presidential Candidates

KindaSkolarly wrote:

* In early 2015 the former Acting Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine, George Kent, raised concerns to officials in Vice President Joe Biden’s office about the perception of a conflict of interest with respect to Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board...

* In October 2015, senior State Department official Amos Hochstein raised concerns with Vice President Biden, as well as with Hunter Biden, that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board enabled Russian disinformation efforts and risked undermining U.S. policy in Ukraine....
And they were correct. The appearance of conflict of interest is sufficient reason to avoid involvement with foreign entities, and the same standard should be applied to Trump and his family and cronies.


This source bills itself as the truth, leaving "the Russia Conspiracy fairy tale to the Conspiracy Media". Which tells you all you need to know about it's innuendo, half-truths and cherry-picking.

KindaSkolarly wrote:
So Hunter Biden was apparently involved in prostitution and sex trafficking. And his dad knew about it. And Obama knew about it. I hope Trump works this info into all of his debate statements.
Sorry, but the accusation is not credible. It has no more behind it than the Steele Dossier's accusation about the pee tape. I was a journalist long enough to know that if you have evidence of bad action you don't leave it at "where there's smoke there's fire" but go and get the relevant information. Elliot Spitzer was not charged for "giving money to women" who "seemed to be associated with" prostitution.

It looks to me like Hunter Biden was involved in the same type of tawdry dealing that came to cling to the Clintons, wanting to get in on the big money flowing through K Street even if it involved stupid risks to political image. Maybe he actually contributed some value to Burisma, but he had to have known that Russian and Ukrainian government works on the basis of connections (as that in the U.S. did for a long time, and Trump wants to bring back in a big way), so that was the real reason they hired him.

But there is no evidence of wrong-doing, and if there was, the investigation should have turned it up. Instead what we get is this kind of fringe outfit insinuation of it.

KindaSkolarly wrote:
Biden Brags About Firing Ukraine Prosecutor
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=biden+brags+a ... &ia=videos

The prosecutor was messing with Hunter's Burisma dealings.

The key charge is that Joe Biden pushed Ukraine to get rid of Shokin because he was investigating Hunter Biden. But we already know that Shokin did not do any real corruption investigation, and many countries were complaining about his shakedowns and other corrupt practice before Joe got involved. The obvious conclusion is that Shokin launched an investigation of Hunter Biden and Burisma precisely to immunize himself against accountability, which is precisely why Hunter Biden should not have been there.

That doesn't mean we have to dance to Shokin's tune, or that of Rudy Giuliani who came back from his own investigation trumpeting "affidavits" of Biden corruption that turned out to be from Shokin and completely unsubstantiated. These oligarchs are happy to scrub each other's back to throw shade on the whole process of accountability, but if we don't want to live under Putinesque tyranny, we need to resist McCarthy-ite campaigns of rumor and baseless accusation.

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