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Author:  geo [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:29 pm ]
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KindaSkolarly wrote:
If you don’t know what a False Flag event is, you should familiarize yourself:
A Brief History of False Flag Terror
http://mikesheedy.com/wp-content/upload ... Terror.mp4 (Video)
http://mikesheedy.com/wp-content/upload ... Terror.pdf (Transcript)

Not surprisingly, Alex Jones thinks the Boston bombings were a "false flag" event.

Author:  Under_Taker [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:08 pm ]
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geo wrote:
KindaSkolarly wrote:
If you don’t know what a False Flag event is, you should familiarize yourself:
A Brief History of False Flag Terror
http://mikesheedy.com/wp-content/upload ... Terror.mp4 (Video)
http://mikesheedy.com/wp-content/upload ... Terror.pdf (Transcript)

Not surprisingly, Alex Jones thinks the Boston bombings were a "false flag" event.


I wonder if he even knows what an actual false flag was used for?

Author:  Belaqua [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:22 am ]
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ant wrote:
Has Facebook ever mistakenly censored any liberal news sources?



I honestly don't know what "Liberal" means any more.

The left-wing people I know were concerned about the Alex Jones ban -- not because they like him, of course, but because of the precedent.

Probably the most concerning action for us anti-Imperialists was when Facebook banned Telesur twice, without coherent explanations. They are about the only non-US-approved source for news about Latin America that we have. (Not that I can personally vouch for their accuracy. But we know we can't trust State Department announcements.)

There was another case in which a man was banned for posting photos of pro-Nazi graffiti. But he isn't a Nazi; he documents American sponsorship for neo-Nazis in the Ukraine. That may have been a misunderstanding, but it also may have been an effort at continuing to downplay US support for Nazis. He had his page re-instated, but only after appeals.

Other lefties on Twitter have been banned by Twitter for saying critical things about John McCain. They could have been more polite, but it wasn't actually threats of violence. The most prominent has been re-instated, but it is unknown if other less famous people are affected.

I've read accounts that a think tank called The Atlantic Council is working with Facebook on deciding who to ban. This council is officially non-partisan, but it is funded by a worrying assortment of arms dealers and intelligence types. That's what the lefties are saying on line, anyway. I have no personal knowledge, so you shouldn't trust me very far.

Author:  DWill [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:19 am ]
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Giving anybody in the world the opportunity to publish and be read by perhaps millions of people is the unique gift the internet has bestowed. Now we know the Trojan Horse quality of that gift. Without gatekeepers to inspect the products before publication and have right of rejection, all the owners of Facebook or Twitter can do, if they are suddenly concerned about the social harm of their contributors, is to ban them from submitting/publishing in the first place. This is a more drastic move than receiving a submission and deciding not to use it, as under the old system. Under the old system, Alex Jones could try again and again. Maybe he'd succeed eventually, maybe not. There would have been no question of censorship, though. With Facebook, censorship does arise, because it's presumed that anything Jones says is bad, even though it's not the type of censorship the Constitution forbids.













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Author:  Harry Marks [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:38 am ]
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geo wrote:
From my limited exposure to Alex Jones, I'd say his rants are a sort of a performance. His anger and paranoia clearly resonate with a certain audience.
It appears this is the main thing to get about Alex Jones: it's an act.

In the latest Paul Krugman column, he makes the point that Alex Jones (like much of the Fox News crowd) makes money off of dietary supplements he sells. He has found a formula that appeals to angry, aging couch potatos and has no reason to put truth-telling ahead of that.

And of course the defining characteristic of paranoia is that it "recruits" information to confirm its central fear. We have some pretty clear illustrations on this forum.

Author:  Harry Marks [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:05 am ]
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DWill wrote:
Giving anybody in the world the opportunity to publish and be read by perhaps millions of people is the unique gift the internet has bestowed. Now we know the Trojan Horse quality of that gift. Without gatekeepers to inspect the products before publication and have right of rejection, all the owners of Facebook or Twitter can do, if they are suddenly concerned about the social harm of their contributors, is to ban them from submitting/publishing in the first place.

That's a really powerful insight. I was on the inside of the journalism profession as a university student, and while we did a weak job of it, we did exercise a gate-keeping capacity. We called it "professionalism."

Professions give people a set of standards and procedures which safeguard not only the individual professional (who might otherwise make poor choices and get herself in trouble), but also the profession itself and its sense of mission. As observed in the book "New Power", the internet works on a dynamic that is completely opposite to that. Many people spread stuff because to them it seems like something the gate-keepers would disapprove of. A feature, not a bug.

But if silencing is the only possible answer, this runs the real risk of increasing the resistance (to gate-keeping, not to the abomination) to any such self-monitoring.

DWill wrote:
With Facebook, censorship does arise, because it's presumed that anything Jones says is bad, even though it's not the type of censorship the Constitution forbids.

Well, it sounds like the alternative approach is to provide a "cellular" level of nourishment to keep aging curmudgeons from feeling isolated and useless and angry. We used to call this "grandchildren." Maybe part of the answer is to help with other people's grandchildren.

Men in particular tend to get themselves socially isolated. Most women have spent their lives cultivating the skills of connection: conversation, keeping track of each other's lives, cooking, child care reciprocity. Men are often just appendages to that, if they are involved at all. And after 50 it gets harder to go on long hikes, to ramble through the wilderness or kayak along the coast, and other projects that are manly enough for the self-image thing. Working on old cars is a dying hobby, though my dad found social interaction there.

In a world where almost all work is done according to specific formulas provided by specialists in marketing, where you have to know a field pretty well to have any voice at all about how things are done in it, it's easy for aging men to feel like there are gate-keepers everywhere they turn. (Not that younger people face this any less, but they are not comparing from a past in which it was dramatically less pronounced.)

Author:  geo [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:31 pm ]
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DWill wrote:
With Facebook, censorship does arise, because it's presumed that anything Jones says is bad, even though it's not the type of censorship the Constitution forbids.

Booktalk has banned individuals in the past because they violated the rules set by the owner of this web site. I also used to belong to an author's forum where the proprietor banned people on a fairly regular basis, sometimes for not very good reasons. I was banned too for a while and eventually let back in. His web site, his rules.

As others have said, anyone who wants to read Alex Jones stuff can just go to his web site. Here's the link: https://www.infowars.com/
Here's another: https://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show/

So if the material is freely available to all, is it really censorship?

Author:  KindaSkolarly [ Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:48 pm ]
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Yes, it's censorship. And Big Tech will pay for it. Sefan Molyneux explains in the video below:

THE SILENCING OF ALEX JONES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBo9uRuTVYk
Newspapers can be sued for libel because they exercise editorial control over content. If something libelous makes it into print, it’s there because the paper authorized it. And the paper can be sued. Social media companies have been saying that they have no control over what people post. But now they’re banning people over political content. They’re assuming editorial control, so it follows that in the future people will be able to sue them for posts of those they allow to remain on their platforms. This will lead to lawsuits and the financial ruin of the big social media platforms.

Author:  Harry Marks [ Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:09 am ]
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KindaSkolarly wrote:
Yes, it's censorship. And Big Tech will pay for it.

Newspapers can be sued for libel because they exercise editorial control over content. If something libelous makes it into print, it’s there because the paper authorized it. And the paper can be sued.
Yes, if you spread lies about someone, you should be held responsible.

KindaSkolarly wrote:
Social media companies have been saying that they have no control over what people post.
This seems to be a gray area. YouTube has been held responsible for copyright violations. We would already hold social media companies responsible for incitement, at least if someone else pointed it out to them. Even Pirate Bay was eventually held responsible. I don't think the world has changed over Alex Jones.
KindaSkolarly wrote:
But now they’re banning people over political content.
Libel is not "political content." I'm quite sure that Facebook will continue to allow a full range of political expression. I'm quite hopeful that they will not continue to allow irresponsible false accusations for which the target gets harassed.

KindaSkolarly wrote:
This will lead to lawsuits and the financial ruin of the big social media platforms.
If Facebook will not take down libelous material, they deserve to be ruined financially. I doubt if they will be held responsible for stuff not pointed out to them, and I don't really like the surveillance implications if they try to catch every lie themselves, but the "deep pockets" principle of American law is always out there waiting for those who have managed to make it rich by ignoring responsibility.

Author:  Chris OConnor [ Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:33 pm ]
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Alex Jones is really a nut. I've watched about a dozen YouTube videos of him ranting about one thing or another and he's a really dangerous and deluded psychopath. He definitely pushes the envelope of "free speech" when he spews out conspiracy theories that his target audience is simply not mentally capable of identifying as fiction.

Author:  DWill [ Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:08 am ]
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Harry Marks wrote:
geo wrote:
From my limited exposure to Alex Jones, I'd say his rants are a sort of a performance. His anger and paranoia clearly resonate with a certain audience.
It appears this is the main thing to get about Alex Jones: it's an act.

In the latest Paul Krugman column, he makes the point that Alex Jones (like much of the Fox News crowd) makes money off of dietary supplements he sells. He has found a formula that appeals to angry, aging couch potatos and has no reason to put truth-telling ahead of that.

And of course the defining characteristic of paranoia is that it "recruits" information to confirm its central fear. We have some pretty clear illustrations on this forum.

Here, we can also see how one upmanship might be working in the world of conspiracy. It's a competitive game, with each entrepreneur trying to fashion ever more elegant and creative fictions that they hope just might catch on as truth--or at least win admiration for their creating the dots they then proceed to connect. I haven't looked at Mike Sheedy's writings yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if he has some true novelistic flair.

One guy whose comments I read gave McCain the Elvis treatment--he wasn't dead at all, but had been spirited away by his foreign masters. Good to know, I guess, that some wild thoughts can be shunned as too extreme by the "mainstream" conspiracy guys and gals.

Author:  Harry Marks [ Wed May 08, 2019 5:42 pm ]
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mopa60000 wrote:
If Infowars is indeed disseminating Nazi propaganda I'd agree to censoring them immediately, As I would if they were inciting violence against a person or groups of people.
You'll have to show me evidence they are.

If you can't produce the above your reasoning is a fallacy of accident.

Don't know about Nazi propaganda, but inciting violence he surely has been doing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/us/p ... -hook.html

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/31/.../alex- ... hook-hoa...

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/.. ... ts-10840...

https://nypost.com/.../alex-jones-relie ... hook-hoax/

https://www.cjr.org/.../alex-jones-depo ... ook-laws...

and, lest we forget the most important part of the story:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/06/media/in ... index.html

Author:  Robert Tulip [ Thu May 09, 2019 5:54 am ]
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Harry, that post is spam, and has been reported as such. The new spam method is to copy an existing post, in this case from post166230.html#p166230 and surreptitiously add links to their sites to improve their google rank.
I hope the moderators will delete it soon.
When a new poster engages in a conversation with no clear context, it is worth checking if they are a spammer using this method of pasting existing comments with tiny changes.

ETA: I see the mods have removed the spam links, and assume they will ban the spammer too.

Author:  Chris OConnor [ Thu May 09, 2019 6:11 pm ]
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Robert is correct. I keep banning this fruitloop and he comes back over and over. I have to wonder what sort of life he has.

Author:  KindaSkolarly [ Thu May 09, 2019 9:38 pm ]
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This Tucker Carlson video is a good overview of the crackdown on free speech:

Tucker: Big tech has launched an attack on your rights
youtube.com/watch?v=m9BiTV9vvZ4&fea ... e=youtu.be

A sampling of articles at infowars.com at the moment:

    Microsoft to Release Version of Word That Makes Your Grammar ‘Politically Correct’

    LA mayor hopes murals of homeless will ‘end homelessness’

    Video captures moment this ‘feminist’ attacked peaceful pro-life demonstrators

    Colo. School Shooting Suspect Was ‘Transitioning to Male,’ 2nd Suspect Said He ‘Hates’ Christians

    Border Patrol Rep: Record Number of Agents Contracting Illness from Illegals

Meanwhile, the mainstream media feeds you bullshit, tells you that the explosion of diseases like measles in the U.S. is a result of not vaccinating your kids. And NBC shows you this picture of a baby with measles to peddle their lie. Only problem is, the picture is photoshopped:

Image

In case the animated gif doesn't show up, you can see it in the story below:

governmentslaves.news/2019/04/30/measle ... ompliance/

The elites who own the world hate humanity and want to kill us off. Brexit and Donald Trump slowed their progress toward a tyrannical world government. Hopefully the slowdown will lead to a shattering of their plans. Nazi collaborator George Soros is deeply concerned right now about his EU Fourth Reich. Several European countries want their sovereignty back. And the wedge of Russiagate failed, so now the two Christian nations of America and Russia can get back to the business of normalizing relations. The fascists on the left are in a panic because the upcoming Spygate investigation will expose them for the traitors they are. Hopefully that investigation will also reveal Obama for the crypto-Muslim he is. For years Alex Jones has been detailing the U.N.'s global resettlement program, the one that went into high gear when Obama and Hillary Clinton murdered Khadaffi of Libya. With him gone, Libya became the gateway for Muslims into Europe.

Alex Jones was banned as a beta test. He wasn't just kicked off of social media, his banking processes were curtailed. The establishment is using him to figure out how to shut down dissenting voices. They hope that, in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election in the US, they'll be able to shut down conservatives and curtail communication between 'dissenters.' That way the left can steal the election.

The global elites feed us a steady diet of fake news, and anyone who provides truth can't be tolerated.

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