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After seven years of Ryan harping about repealing Obamacare and Trump using it as one of the signature promises of his illustrious campaign, Trump and Ryan utterly failed to repeal and replace. It was so bad that Ryan pulled the bill off the floor of the House and told Trump it was a non-starter, that the bill would fail miserably.

Trump blamed the democrats which is ridiculous since they are a pretty pitiful minority in Congress and there were easily more than enough republicans to push the bill to the senate. It was the republicans themselves who killed the bill--particularly that part of the House known as the Freedom Caucus. These are the hardcore conservative representatives that opposed everything Obama proposed. They didn't wield great power under Obama and were largely symbolic but they have FAR more clout under a republican president and they know it. Today, they let Trump and Ryan have a good dose of it.

Trump and Ryan thought they had browbeat every republican rep into toeing the party line but they were wrong. The Freedom Caucus isn't even the tiniest bit afraid of either one of them. Funny to see the Freedom Caucus and the dems on the same side. But really, while the Freedom Caucus may be a bunch of pigheaded assholes, who could blame them for not endorsing this bill? Obama spent a lot of time putting the ACA together--well before he even announced a run for the presidency. He, Emanuel, Axelrod and other staffers went out and spoke to doctors, surgeons, nurses, hospital directors, pharma, medical suppliers, lawyers, insurance companies, patients, the disabled, etc. They worked 16-hour days 7 days a week on that bill trying to cover every base. Then they'd run it past consultants who suggested revisions and then they'd revise and keep doing this until most everybody was happy. Then they already had a working model to observe in action--in Massachusetts under Mitt Romney's governorship. By the time Obama got into office, he had invested years into crafting the ACA. By contrast, his opponents in Congress did no such background work. After 7 years, nothing. Then suddenly, they offer up a plan in 6 weeks??? Sorry, won't work! Who could they have talked to in that time the way Obama's team did? Nobody. Just a hastily thrown together pile of garbage. Hell no, the Freedom Caucus wasn't going to endorse that crap even if they supported a govt-run healthcare system, which they don't and never will.

The fault is squarely on Trump. He pushed and pushed for a fast replacement clearly not understanding the kind of work that has to go into crafting such bills. They tried to tell him it can't work that way but he didn't want to hear it. So they threw it together. What a joke! No way was any responsible congressperson going to vote for a piece of legislation that ill-conceived, ill-prepared and cynical. Down it went in white-hot flames and now the issue is dead-in-the-water. Obamacare is the law of the land and Planned Parenthood will not be defunded this time around. Aww, too bad!

Trump is now saying the ACA is "imploding" and soon to die anyway. My advice to him is this: DO NOT let it die! YOU will be held responsible. You can't watch it die and refuse to intervene or you are NOT doing your job and the People will let you know that in 2020--assuming you last that long which I seriously doubt. The People do not want a new healthcare system, they want you to plug any holes in Obamacare and keep it running. If you fail to do that, you will be called to account not Obama--YOU!! Part of me hopes Obamacare is dying. I will enjoy watching you and Ryan being forced to rescue it. Oh, how degrading that will be for you both!!! :appl:

And don't be so quick to slam the democrats, Mr. Trump. You will need them for any future endeavors you will be pursuing such as tax reform. Yes, you will be forced to compromise with them because they are not going to just let you do whatever you want but--hey!--you're Mr. Deal-maker! Work with it! The ones you can't work with is the Freedom Caucus because they are extremely pigheaded and unbendable. You have to do everything their way or no deal. The dems otoh will bend for you if you bend for them. The way you praise your deal-making abilities, that should be a piece of cake for you so start opening lines of communication to the dems and make nice. YOU need them; they don't need you. And your own party doesn't want to play and they ain't scared o' you!

Trump might start by offering an olive leaf to Mr. Obama. Oh, who am I fooling? He won't apologize. He never apologizes. He doesn't know how. He never takes blame. The failure of repeal and replace proves that. Besides, an apology to Obama over the wiretapping is too little too late. There are consequences for what he did and the die has been cast. The process will have to run its course. It has taken a toll on Trump already. He has lost a lot of cred and is not seen as trustworthy. When he says Obamacare will implode soon, should we believe him?? He lies about everything else, why not this too? And that's the essence of the problem. No one will take him seriously when there is a real national emergency for which prompt action is paramount. He stupidly threw away his political capital in one fell swoop and he has no one to blame but himself. Perhaps Robert Tulip will insist that this is a brilliant ploy of some sort but I think we are well past that now. Trump has cooked his own goose because he just can't stop running his mouth--or should I say his Twitter feed?

Then there is the Russian scandal. Is it real? I have to think it is. Devin Nunes has seemingly ruined his career over it and he may take Paul Ryan with him. This doesn't happen because there is nothing to the accusation. Take Benghazi. Hillary was getting lambasted by it but who threw themselves between her and her antagonizers to protect her? Nobody. Why? Because it was a made up scandal. Even a committee of republicans found her innocent. There was no crime or negligence could be hung on Clinton. There was no necessity for anyone to try and protect her. Yet, here Nunes learns something and goes first to Ryan who tells him to go to Trump and brief him about it. Now both men have to know that Nunes can't go and discuss Russian scandal evidence with the man that's being investigated by the very committee he chairs. On top of that, he spoke to nobody on the committee about it at all. That should be enough to get rid of Ryan and Nunes right there. Don't be surprised if Ryan resigns or is forced out in the coming weeks. Regardless of what Nunes learned--damaging or not--he had no business going to Trump and Ryan had no business telling him to do so. The committee is now tainted and John McCain's demand that this committee shut down and let an independent select committee take over is underway.

Basically, the wheels are coming off the Trump clown mobile. A lot of people are going to get hurt in the ensuing crash. Funny thing is, it's taking a lot longer than I expected.



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I credit the Dems, for having the gonads to pass a bill (ACA) knowing full well the fall-out would be a loss of congressional seats. This week their gambit paid off. It seems the GOP was not willing to make the same risk.

I was at my Reps town hall several weeks ago, It did not go well for him. He had his supporters there but the over-all crowd was not his. There was push-back towards the GOP agenda and I think that should come as no surprise. My rep proved that for him there was no compromise. If that is an indication of the GOP in general then I think weeks like this past one, will be a common scene we witness coming out of the national capital region. The GOP is not even willing to compromise among themselves.

When it comes to their own skin the GOP isn't willing to risk a nick. 2018 looms large in their psyche.



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The Republican exercise was ridiculous on several levels, I agree. Most obviously, the bill they came up with implicitly acknowledges that some features of Obamacare are what the people want, and these features require that the government be involved in enabling people without employer health plans to buy good insurance that they can afford. But the Republicans can't admit this, because to do that would be to credit the demon Obama with some good ideas, and to admit that healthcare delivery isn't best left to the free market to figure out. Considering the uncontroversial existence of the government-run systems of Medicare and the VA, why the Republicans continue to hold on to the delusion that we can't go down the "socialist" path of medicine is beyond understanding.

There are a large number of Trump voters who dodged a bullet with the failure of the Trump-Ryan bill. The bill would have been especially bad for many of them. They may not want to admit this, either, though, and so the disillusionment with their hero might be put off for a while. If much of the Trump budget and tax plan go through, those citizens will wake up quickly to the real nature of the "populist" they helped elect.



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For 7 years Republicans made promises about repealing the Affordable Care Act, and today they could not deliver. They had 7 years to come up with their so-called ‘better way’ and now it turns out they’ve been bluffing all along.
- Linda Sanchez, Congresswoman

She put it very succinctly. It's flabergasting that after 7 years, they gave up after less than 3 weeks?



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Remember when they sent that repeal bill to Obama and he vetoed it and they foamed at the mouth about it? Well, now we know it was all show. They not only knew Obama was going to veto it, they were counting on it. They didn't want it to pass. It was all show. Now with a republican president, they can't even get a bill to the senate much less to his desk--and let's be clear about this: that bill never would have made it out of the senate even if it had getten through the house.

Mr. Deal-maker was so eager to show everybody what a master of deal-making that he is that he pushed too hard and it fell through. Most presidents would learn something valuable about this but will Trump?

What most amuses me most was how his idiot supporters laughed and high-fived over the way Trump ignores decorum and the political rules of Washington and did it the way he wants to do it and doesn't care what anyone thinks: "Yeah! My MAN!!!" But that decorum and set of rules are there for a reason--they are time-tested, party-tested and they work. Whether they are good or fair makes no difference--ignore them at your peril.

Trump is like that rookie pitcher who goes out on the mound time after time his first season and shuts em down. He starts thinking, "What's so hard about this? Pffft! Piece o' cake, man!" And then the other teams start making adjustments in the off-season. They study the tapes, analyze the numbers, dissect his delivery and realize it's different from other pitchers but also easier to hit once you realize how it works. When the guy goes out on the mound again--BAM!--he gets walloped all over the place and they pull him in the 3rd inning. In start after start they keep having to pull him by the 5th inning and then send him packing for the minors. Suddenly, he's just a flash-in-the-pan. That's Trump. His iconoclast style may have helped him into the White House but now it's going to help right back out.



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Heh well on your last paragraph Trump may be more like the rookie pitcher who bombs his shoulder in the first game and is out for the season.

This No Deal shows Trump's real estate deal making "skillz" do not translate to politics. He is used to negotiating with people who work FOR him or WITH him to either MAKE MONEY or get SCREWED by his lawsuits and bankruptcies. Modern hyper-partisan politics / legislation is nothing like that...



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To make a deal in business, everybody at the table WANTS to make a deal. If they don't, you cut them out. They don't want to be cut out, that's why they are there--they want to make a deal. In politics, not everyone at the table wants to make a deal and you still have to put up with them. They are there whether you like it or not because voters put them there and if you can't appease them, they shut the deal down and walk away.

Trump showed not only no familiarity with the bill he was trying to get passed (one thing that killed him was that it was obvious to the reps he was trying to get on his side that he had NO knowledge of what was in the bill or how bills get passed), he shows no familiarity with the entire political system. He obviously thought the Freedom Caucus was his. It was not. He should have used his time as president-elect to make nice with the democrats and talk about unity and his empathy for a lot of what they want to accomplish and promise not to leave them out. But he did absolutely nothing during that time. He let the losers stew in their own juices and chuckled to himself--rubbed it in even. As I said, there are a set of rules in Washington that all presidents have followed because it works and that's one of them--make nice with your opponents while you are president-elect because you just might need them.

Then to blame the democrats for the defeat and bitterly laugh that it's Pelosi and Schumer who really lost not him shows me he is simply not very smart. When a president gets walloped, he always publicly admits it. When democrats lost the majority in '96, Clinton publicly said that was a real wake-up call and he was going to heed it. When the republicans lost the majority in 2006, Bush said publicly that they got shellacked. Never try to deny it when it happens. What does Trump do? He denies it. "It wasn't me who got his ass kicked! THEY got their ass kicked--haha!" No, stupid ass, you got seriously, seriously whacked by your own party and you better learn what that means but you won't because you don't learn.

Name a president in your lifetime who lost his first major piece of legislation. I can't. Until Trump. Clinton's legislation was harsh and bitter for the democrats. Clinton was raising taxes and slicing up their favorite programs. Clinton called them together and begged them to understand, "We have to get the spending down and the revenues up or were going to eat it in a few years time! We need to do this! And the silver lining of this dark cloud is, one we have a budget that's under control, the People will back us on whatever we want to do because we've showed them we're responsible! Whaddaya say? Don't leave me hangin' in the wind, fellas! I need this vote. WE need this vote. Work with me."

The dems HATED this legislation and didn't want to vote for it but they gave in. It passed by one single vote! that was all that was needed. The dems came together because if they left Clinton hangin' in the wind, they would have completely neutered his presidency. He would be done and gone in four years. Instead Clinton did two terms and left with a surplus on the books. In spite of his stupid womanizing, he will go down as one our better presidents and it was Congress that helped him get there.

By contrast, what did the republicans in Congress just do to Trump? And don't think they aren't aware of what they've done. They KNOW they just neutered his presidency--relegated it to irrelevancy. They just don't care because they also know he isn't worth a shit. The Twitter storms they all feared before have now been destroyed by Trump's incredibly stupid accusation of wiretapping by Obama. The public no longer gives a damn about his stupid tweets. He's just a childish little liar. Nobody's scared of him now. All the corporations that were scared of Trump's tweets also now don't care what he says now. they were walking on eggshells but they don't care now. He's wrecked his presidency. Even if he doesn't get impeached or forced to resign, he's done anyway.

My guess is now he gets forced out somehow and Pence is put in the big chair and he is much more a team player to get their agenda accomplished. But, as I said, this will be a rough four years no matter what.



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in response to a reporter's question on his false claims of being wiretapped, Trump replied, "I'm president, and you're not." He's taking this "the rules don't apply to the president" thing to new and absurd heights.

This just in: the bill for travel and protection for Trump and his family is expected to be $525 million over his first term. Trump won't deign to use Camp David--too rustic and without any gold brocade, so he decamps to Mar-a-Lago almost every weekend at a cost to taxpayers of $3 million per trip. As Dana Milbank wrote, he "campaigned as a populist and governs as a plutocrat." It's disgusting, really. While campaigning Trump said he would rarely leave the White House, because there was too much work to do.



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It seems to me, Trump decided Presidency was too much actual work, Dictatorship was undesirable because no one actually likes a Dictator, so he has settled on Monarchy. How does "King Donald" sound?!


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Yeah, Trump has no idea how much work it takes to be a good president. He touted himself as the deal-maker and he's easily the worst deal-maker I've seen yet. His presidency gets more disastrous by the day. Now he's going after the Freedom Caucus for neutering his presidency and on his Facebook page there are a bunch of conservatives posting comments telling him he'd better lay off or they'll withdraw all their support. There are some cheering him on but most are warning him to leave the Freedom Caucus alone or face grave consequences in '18 even though the Freedom Caucus DID indeed sink the Trumpcare bill. So his presidency is nearing an end. I still can't see him lasting until the end of this term.



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Since last I wrote here, Trump did get a healthcare bill through Congress. Well, not Trump, really. Congress got a bill through Congress and that was mostly the Freedom Caucus. The conservatives celebrated but it wasn't much of a win. Most of them admitted they had not read the bill and didn't care to. One guy said they voted for it to get it off their plates and it didn't matter what was in it because the Senate wasn't going to pass it because he knew they were working on their own bill which they will have to come back and discuss with the House before it can go to Trump. One Freedom Caucus member said if the Senate changes their bill one iota they will fail it. So expect nothing but gridlock. The terrible, failing Obamacare will remain in its death throes as the law of the land as far as healthcare goes. And that's just as well since every single poll taken shows that even those demographics favorable towards Trump are not favorable towards repeal and replace. Virtually no Americans favor it.

Trump also got a justice on SCOTUS and even this was not a particularly braggable victory (not that that doesn't stop Trump and his surrogates from bragging). The truth is, Gorsuch only got in because Congress exercised the nuclear option allowing a simply majority vote instead of the usual super majority. Without that, Gorsuch never would have made it. Later when, Trump wanted other protocols blown up to get his way, McConnell responded that he only gets to choose one. Congress is not going to blow up every vote, he said. Trump should know which is the most important vote to him and pick that one to blow up to get it. If he didn't understand that before, too bad. He used his nuclear option and that's it. No more.

Now, you would have thought with him gathering a modicum of momentum, after being thoroughly chastised and discredited over his accusations that Obama wiretapped him, the regime could put that behind them and try tackling tax reform. Instead Trump inexplicably fires James Comey as head of the FBI thereby causing more attention to be riveted on the Russian collusion story that Trump claims he's trying to lay to rest. Well, that's not a very good way to do it! On top of that, in the letter Trump wrote to Comey telling him he was fired, Trump tried to defend himself by stating that Comey had told him three times that he wasn't being investigated. He is NOT supposed to be talking with Comey about the investigation! That's a violation of ethics. Moreover, Comey would not have discussed that with Trump so Trump is lying and actually using this letter to cover his own ass.

His aides and surrogates then go before the cameras (except Spicer who hid in the bushes) and insist Trump was within his legal authority to fire Comey--something no one denied. It was the timing of the thing. Comey is heading an investigation into the Russian connection and Trump fires him after first demanding complete loyalty from him which Comey refused to do. Coincidence, no doubt!!

His aides said Trump fired Comey on the advice of the AG, Jeff Sessions. Trump, however, contradicted them by going on tv and saying he had already made up his mind to fire him before he talked to Sessions. The reason that Sessions gave was totally ridiculous--they fired Comey over the terrible way he treated poor, little Hillary during the election. I suppose the threats to lock her up made right to her face on national television were light gibes meant to be taken with humor. But then Trump contradicted this as well. He admitted he fired Comey at least in part over the Russian investigation. Trump is therefore a law-breaker because that is obstruction of justice and that is illegal--not just impeachable but illegal! Of course that would get Jeff Sessions into very how water if he suggested firing Comey over the Russian thing since he had recuse himself from said investigation.

The next day after the firing, Trump hosts two Russian diplomats at the White House, in the Oval Office--one of them a known spy recruiter--and spills classified information to them concerning ISIS!! No American press was allowed in the room only Russian press! So then Trump forces McMaster, his National Security Adviser, to go before the cameras and tell them he was in the room and Trump did not name any sources, methods or military operations to the Russian diplomats. What McMaster left unsaid was that Trump DID reveal classified information to them--he only didn't name the source of the info nor how they planned to deal with that info. McMaster then left the room without taking questions. Gee, I wonder why.

Some have sought to defend Trump by pointing out that WaPo stated that current and former government officials said that Trump did reveal classified into to the Russians. "No one but a few of Trump's closest aides were in the room so how would these former officials know what went on?" Because WaPo also revealed that Thomas Brossert's people at Homeland Security and Counterterrorism want the problematic parts of the Trump's discussion stricken from memos and the full transcript to be very limited in circulation to further prevent sensitive info from being revealed. So there is a transcript of the meeting and memos taken as well. Maybe that's how former officials know about what was discussed. Maybe a leaker in the WH revealed the transcripts to them but who is the real leaker here? T-R-U-M-P.

Then Comey issues his own memos which reveal that Trump tried to get him to lay off Michael Flynn some time before Trump himself was forced to fire him. Once again, Trump can't talk about that stuff with Comey. That is, once again, obstruction of justice.

Now WH aides are hiding in their offices and fighting with each other according to reporters that are there. They hide from reporters and they hide from Trump who is, by all accounts, screaming and yelling at anyone who enters his sight and that even includes Jared Kushner (who was behind the firing of Comey). Trump is calling them all incompetent. Yet, he's mad at them mainly for their inability to cover his fuck-ups. If the man would shut his big mouth and stop tweeting, he'd be doing a lot better than a 38% approval rating with the public and having the House introduce a move to have him impeached as happened today. I doubt the republicans will act on it but at least that ball is now rolling.

Boy, I've never seen anything unravel this badly.



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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former FBI Director Robert Mueller says he accepts the responsibility of being appointed as a special counsel to oversee a federal investigation into potential coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign to influence the 2016 election.

In a short statement, Mueller says, "I accept this responsibility and will discharge it to the best of my ability."

His law firm, WilmerHale, says he resigned immediately upon his Wednesday appointment by the Justice Department. Spokespeople declined to comment further.

The appointment came amid a growing Democratic outcry for someone outside the Justice Department to handle the politically charged investigation.

It follows the revelation Tuesday that fired FBI Director James Comey wrote in a memo that Trump had asked him to end an investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

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I hadn't heard about this before reading your post. This move redeems Rod Rosenstein. Mueller would appear to be an excellent choice for the job. The W.H. will be understandably worried, very worried. Mueller can even rule on Trump's apparent recent attempts to interfere in the FBI's investigation.



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They can't ignore it anymore. Trump is out of control. He must be mentally ill or something. I didn't mention that Trump also tried to keep Comey from testifying by intimating in a tweet that he might have tapes of their conversation. Is he insane to make a public threat like that??

Trump then issued a statement saying he welcomed Mueller to investigate and find there is nothing to any of this. The problem is that Trump has done too much deflecting and diverting for that to be true. Why didn't he then demand a special prosecutor himself 3 months ago to get to the bottom of it so he could clear his name? That doesn't make sense. Even worse, suppose it is all marlarkey--he's still screwed himself by telling Lester Holt he fired Comey partly due to the investigation, by asking Comey to lay off Flynn and by trying to intimidate Comey into not testifying (which he will do next week) because that's obstruction of justice regardless of the outcome of the investigation.

I do not see how he can evade the obstruction charges and those charge had better be made against him because they are too major to ignore. He's on tv telling the world he obstructed justice, for crying out loud!! He's sunk himself with his own big mouth.



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And not a single outrage or misstep he has committed is in the least bit surprising. All the evidence for such stuff being bound to happen was in the cards we all could read during his campaign. I try not to lord this over people I know who supported him, but it's hard not to! To use one of his favorite words, he's all a phony show. He's an atrocious manager, management ability being supposedly the attraction of putting a businessman in the W. H. Look at the way he fired Comey, breaking every rule of good management.



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