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The coup's been going on since Trump was elected. Since before he was elected. Obama and the FBI placed moles in the Trump campaign, and they did so knowing that the "evidence" they presented to obtain warrants had been bought and paid for by H. Clinton and the Democratic National Committee. This is probably the greatest domestic crime ever committed by a U.S. President. But Obama skates free, while the media reports 98% negatively on Trump.

But the full-court press to remove Trump will occur soon. The Ides of March? Supreme Court justice Ruth Ginsberg is nearly dead, and the Washington bureaucracy is terrified that another conservative judge will be appointed to the court. So, if Trump and Pence were removed, then the Dems could have Nancy Pelosi (#3 in line of succession) step into the presidency and do the appointment. Pelosi is mafioso by the way. Her father was Thomas D'Alesandro Jr., a made guy with the Luchesse crime family.

Then there's Trump's border wall talk. The CIA and Washington (especially the Democrats) are partnered with the Mexican drug cartels. This is why the Dems insist on NO border stoppages at all...because so many freakin' illegals are muling drugs into the US.

Anyway, anti-Trumpists are now demanding a coup.

Senator Elizabeth Warren Calls for Coup Against President of the United States
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2729 ... greenfield

Dershowitz: FBI Attempted “Coup d’état” in Discussing 25th Amendment To Remove Trump
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/c ... move-trump


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Post Re: The Coup against Donald Trump
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The CIA and Washington (especially the Democrats) are partnered with the Mexican drug cartels. This is why the Dems insist on NO border stoppages at all...because so many freakin' illegals are muling drugs into the US.


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Post Re: The Coup against Donald Trump
The "coup" that came up recently was FBI speculation about using the 25th Amendment to remove Trump. Maybe such speculation wasn't proper and the critics have a point. But the cabinet plus Pence would have needed to put such a plan in motion; it's not in the power of the FBI. "Coup"is political overkill.



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The "coup" that came up recently was FBI speculation about using the 25th Amendment to remove Trump.
The big threat was to wear a wire. By implication, if the public knew how Bozo conducts himself, they would agree that he lacks the capacity to do the job. Which is pretty much universally acknowledged by anyone with any professionalism who has worked with him.

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Maybe such speculation wasn't proper and the critics have a point. But the cabinet plus Pence would have needed to put such a plan in motion; it's not in the power of the FBI. "Coup"is political overkill.
Yes, those who are flinging around the term "coup" have put themselves in the same box with Devin Nunes, willing to sacrifice any sense of accuracy and proportion to cast things divisively.

If people really went down that road, interpreting everything in terms of "Us" and "Them", a coup would be the eventual result as it was in Thailand when both sides proved willing to sacrifice all order and common priorities. I fail to see how either of the two "sides" could look forward to that outcome with any optimism, but as we know, humans don't always look ahead to the consequences of their actions when they are in the grip of perceived conflict.

The prediction of some imminent ouster of Dear Leader and his Vice-Leader is horse puckey. Unless Mueller has revelations more dramatic than those which have leaked out so far, there will not even be impeachment.

Of course, I was wrong in predicting that McConnell would stand up to Dear Leader about his emergency declaration, but he has no choice about calling a vote, and even if DL vetos the bill, the vote will speak for itself. McConnell is going down with Trump's ship. I think a person has to be a Southerner to understand that behavior.



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'The greatest constitutional crisis since the Civil War': Conrad Black on how American institutions plotted and schemed in the 2016 election - then blamed Russia

The most immense and dangerous public scandal in American history is finally cracking open like a ripe pomegranate. The broad swath of the Trump-hating media that has participated in what has amounted to an unconstitutional attempt to overthrow the government are reduced to reporting the events and revelations of the scandal in which they have been complicit, in a po-faced ho-hum manner to impart to the misinformed public that this is as routine as stock market fluctuations or the burning of an American flag in Tehran.

For more than two years, the United States and the world have had two competing narratives: that an elected president of the United States was a Russian agent whom the Kremlin helped elect; and its rival narrative that senior officials of the Justice Department, FBI, CIA, and other national intelligence organizations had repeatedly lied under oath, misinformed federal officials, and meddled in partisan political matters illegally and unconstitutionally and had effectively tried to influence the outcome of a presidential election, and then undo its result by falsely propagating the first narrative. It is now obvious and indisputable that the second narrative is the correct one.

The authors, accomplices, and dupes of this attempted overthrow of constitutional government are now well along in reciting their misconduct without embarrassment or remorse because—in fired FBI Director James Comey’s formulation—a “higher duty” than the oath they swore to uphold the Constitution compelled them. Or—in fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe’s words—“the threat” was too great. Nevermind that the nature of “the threat” was that the people might elect someone he and Comey disapproved of as president, and that that person might actually serve his term, as elected....

(Article continues below...absolutely spot on)

dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6737685/ ... Black.html


Democrats Are Reportedly Being Paid Off By Mexican Drug Cartels To Keep The Borders Wide Open
cloverchronicle.com/2019/02/08/democrat ... wide-open/

Mexican Cartels Paid Off Mexican President with $100 Million – Former Democrat Claims Democrat Party Being Paid Millions by Cartels As Well!
thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/mexican-ca ... s-as-well/

Of course, the drug running is part of the Republican Party too. The Reagan/Bush years, Iran-Contra and so on. The Bush family is despicable beyond description.


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Post Re: The Coup against Donald Trump
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For more than two years, the United States and the world have had two competing narratives...

No, actually we have at least three conspiracies.

  1. "An elected president of the United States was a Russian agent whom the Kremlin helped elect." In this scenario, the FBI, Justice Department, and Intelligence Agencies are the good guys and Trump is the bad guy.
  2. "Senior officials of the Justice Department, FBI, CIA, and other national intelligence organizations had repeatedly lied under oath, misinformed federal officials, and meddled in partisan political matters illegally and unconstitutionally and had effectively tried to influence the outcome of a presidential election, and then undo its result by falsely propagating the first narrative." In this one, the FBI, Justice Department, and Intelligence Agencies are the bad guys and Trump is the good guy.
  3. The QAnon conspiracy states that Trump and the military are setting up military tribunals for Hillary, Obama, the deep state, and most other people far right wingers hate. As many as 50,000 trials will occur in 2019. Once convicted of treason, these people will beg to be imprisoned in Guantanamo. In this scenario, Trump and the military are the good guys and almost everyone else is bad, like a military dictatorship.

We should know which one of these scenarios is correct in a few weeks or months. Would it be useful to come back then and hold the losing conspiracy theorists accountable? Of course not. In our multiverse culture, all three theories will be victorious according to their supporters.



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The CIA and Washington (especially the Democrats) are partnered with the Mexican drug cartels. This is why the Dems insist on NO border stoppages at all...because so many freakin' illegals are muling drugs into the US.


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The prediction of some imminent ouster of Dear Leader and his Vice-Leader is horse puckey. Unless Mueller has revelations more dramatic than those which have leaked out so far, there will not even be impeachment.


Today I read that the republicans are calling for an investigation of Cohen's testimony. They are looking into proving perjury. They MUST be bluffing. They cannot possibly be serious!! First off, I get the distinct impression that Cohen is telling the complete truth because why would he lie at this point? What's lying going to do for him now? Nothing except he makes sure the guy he lied for gets his too.

So I doubt very seriously that they will be able to prove perjury. The problem with that is that they will have basically verified Cohen's assertions and accusations in the public's eye. They will have vindicated Cohen and if they vindicate him, they MUST then impeach because what Cohen has given them is impeachable. If Trump instructed people to lie about his financial dealings during the campaign (and you KNOW he did), he can be impeached. They would be very wise to drop their investigation of Cohen.

They might be thinking that Mueller probably has evidence to back everything Cohen alleges (and he likely does) and so impeachment is just around the corner anyway but why make it easier for them? Once you fail to prove perjury, you will have backed yourself into a corner.



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As somebody living in England - where we have our own outstanding political and governmental stupidities - the difficulty most people here have is in understanding why trump still has the support he does, when it is blatantly obvious that he is a liar, crook and racist. All of these things have been recorded, documented and corroborated, time and again.



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As somebody living in England - where we have our own outstanding political and governmental stupidities - the difficulty most people here have is in understanding why trump still has the support he does, when it is blatantly obvious that he is a liar, crook and racist. All of these things have been recorded, documented and corroborated, time and again.

The strongman persona has captured parts of the public in several countries, including the U.S. It doesn't matter whether your strongman is a liar, crook, and racist or just an all-around dick. In fact it's reinforcing for the strongman's popularity. In the UK you almost had Boris Johnson, right? He might have shown the same imperviousness to tarnish in the eyes of his fervid supporters.



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That is true, Johnson did have a shot at leading the Tory Party, but the system is robust. He will probably try again, but he is not popular within the party so will most likely not gain that position. The Tories have always preferred what they refer to as 'a safe pair of hands' and Johnson is far from that.
What you say about fascists is also true - the idea of 'one strong man at the top' - but it is odd that Trump has shown that he isn't that either: a useless negotiator (Kim runs rings around him, as does Putin), unable to deliver on his campaign pledges, taken to the cleaners by whores, considered to be a white supremacist in a country that fought that war over a century ago, a multiple bankrupt....I could go on. So, for his diehard supporters, is it simply a case of 'what's not to like?'



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What you say about fascists is also true - the idea of 'one strong man at the top' - but it is odd that Trump has shown that he isn't that either: a useless negotiator (Kim runs rings around him, as does Putin), unable to deliver on his campaign pledges, taken to the cleaners by whores, considered to be a white supremacist in a country that fought that war over a century ago, a multiple bankrupt....I could go on. So, for his diehard supporters, is it simply a case of 'what's not to like?'

Great point--you're absolutely right--the puzzle remains even though I thought the strongman explained simply the Trump teflon phenomenon. I now recall an acquaintance--British, by chance--making a point when Trump first came to the fore. He asked why, if the country needs to turn to the "strong leader," somebody like Trump would be the guy. If you look at his resume it's plain that he's a competent strongman only on reality TV. Then we're left with more specific ways to explain Trump's staying power, such as the way he has stoked the grievances of whites at the lower end of the income scale and played to their racial and cultural animosity. No particular competence is needed to do that. For the first time in our modern history, that tactic worked with a large enough share of voters to put a true demagogue in the WH.



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For more than two years, the United States and the world have had two competing narratives...
"An elected president of the United States was a Russian agent whom the Kremlin helped elect."

"Senior officials of the Justice Department, FBI, CIA, and other national intelligence organizations had repeatedly lied under oath, misinformed federal officials, and meddled in partisan political matters illegally and unconstitutionally and had effectively tried to influence the outcome of a presidential election, and then undo its result by falsely propagating the first narrative."

I was struck by the false dichotomy. We know the Kremlin tried to help elect Dear Leader. We know that Dear Leader behaves like someone with something to hide. But what he has to hide may not be a criminal conspiracy with the Russians. He may be a Russian stooge without being a Russian agent.

Similarly, there has been some questionable judgment by the law enforcement officials, and even some lies (but not many) but the notion of a conspiracy to undo the election is not tenable. The usual suspects have been vilified for normal behavior, such as being married to a Democrat, while their suspicions about coordination with Russia have largely been confirmed. The idea that they made it all up is not even remotely sustainable by the evidence.

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We should know which one of these scenarios is correct in a few weeks or months.


Well, no. What we seem to be getting is a muddle. Dear Leader has long experience assigning the role of the heavy to underlings without saying anything that can get him nailed for conspiracy. He is a crook, not to mention a cheat, liar and racist, but he has made a career of lurking in the shadows, seizing opportunities that those with scruples would not, hiring people who will do his dirty work without explicit directions, etc. We all know the type.

His defense about all the lies he has told is basically "Well, you knew what kind of guy I am, so what's the surprise that I lied to you?" The speech to CPAC was particularly revealing. "They make such a big thing out of every little thing I have done." Little things like lying to Congress and the public about business deals in Russia, threatening ladies with stories they want to sell, hiring people to run the campaign who are on the hook to Moscow for big money, directing false response about the Trump Tower meeting, trying to influence testimony and obstruct justice, and on and on. Every little thing.



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As somebody living in England the difficulty most people here have is in understanding why trump still has the support he does, when it is blatantly obvious that he is a liar, crook and racist. All of these things have been recorded, documented and corroborated, time and again.

I think it is a very interesting question. As usual, my main answer is that more than one big thing is going on. It helps to realize there are three key constituencies in the Trump constituency. The first two might be thought of as “Fox News America” (even though mostly they don’t actually watch Fox) and certainly “Red State” America. They are his base.

Those who backed him in the primaries, the MAGA people, come from a long tradition in America of people who resent being told what they “should” do, told to sacrifice their interests for moral issues. Even if they are not white nationalists or resentful of unskilled immigrants, they are likely to have a “them” and “us” mentality about race. They often feel that liberals, who defend flag burning and Muslims, are clueless about the security needs of the U.S., not to mention the security needs of citizens who keep guns. And they are very sensitive to being considered “deplorables” for not bowing to political correctness and globalizers.

The second group might be called “Evangelical Christians” or at least traditionalists. Usually they did not back Trump in the primaries but were convinced they did not like Democrats and were thrilled by the choice of Mike Pence and the promise to let them choose the Supreme Court nominees. They are fired up against abortion, and scared about gay marriage (that they will be required to respect gay marriage just as people were required to respect the civil rights of African-Americans – you can see the kinship between the two groups).

But these two groups have not been enough to put Republicans in national office since the 2008 crisis, especially with black turnout very high when Obama was on the ballot. What changed was the third group. These are people whose communities were devastated by imports during the years of the Great Recession (and by automation, but that is not so easy to confront with policy). At least half of them would prefer Bernie Sanders over Trump, but they were not too picky about which of the protest votes they lined up for. They were concentrated in states that were “Purple”, or about balanced between typically Republican and typically Democrat. So Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin swung to Trump by thin majorities (razor thin in the last two), and Pennsylvania may be in this category as well. This so-called “Blue Wall” crumbling was what handed Trump a win despite losing the popular vote by a significant margin.

The third group has not stuck by Trump, nor should they have been expected to. Outside West Virginia, which depends on coal and leans rather MAGA, they have been disappointed. No infrastructure building, trade achievements modest or negative, and a tax bill that showed where Trump’s and the Republican Party’s loyalties lie. In the midterms they were not a force, and the Democrats again carried the popular vote heavily.

The real swing in 2018 was in the suburbs, especially coastal suburbs where the tax bill went after revenue from the State and Local Tax exemption in high-tax states. Highly educated voters, especially women, reacted with real fear and loathing to the Trump win and its consequences. The Kavanaugh debacle may have solidified some of the first two groups, but it alienated vast swaths of the cosmopolitan vote.

Those who see a great chance for the Republican Party to re-elect Trump in 2020 because the economy is in good shape are likely to be disappointed. Despite the advantage of the Electoral College, which has favored Republicans for a while now and even more so now, he will definitely lose the popular vote again and probably the election. He just hasn’t delivered on the hopes of his swing voters, and either Biden or Sanders is likely to be able to capitalize. Maybe others as well, but I don’t think this is the year for other far left candidates without Sanders’ “street credibility”.

And there’s always the chance of him losing a primary challenge. Without a crowded field to divide those who loathe him, he could lose to a Romney or a Weld or to Nikki Haley, should she take my advice and decide to run (she won’t – she is young enough to wait for 2024 to avoid being seen as traitor to the MAGA’s).



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And there’s always the chance of him losing a primary challenge. Without a crowded field to divide those who loathe him, he could lose to a Romney or a Weld or to Nikki Haley, should she take my advice and decide to run (she won’t – she is young enough to wait for 2024 to avoid being seen as traitor to the MAGA’s).

Maryland's Larry Hogan, too. I feel it's going to be a gov or ex-gov who has the best chance to unseat Trump. Haley and Romney both qualify as well but probably will not run. With this much craven cowardice in the Republican party, it's unlikely a challenger would feel he/she has a chance to get any support.

Why only Jay Inslee of Washington as a governor running for the Democrats? Do governors have better things to do, like running states? Anyway, Inslee has beaucoup experience at many levels of government, and with his commitment to attacking climate change, he's my pick so far. Senators, House members, your time has passed!



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