Re: The Art of No Deal
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:20 pm
I'm not going to argue this because legalities involved are far beyond what I'm sure either one of us really knows about. Suffice it to say, they will make clear to him that they are open to his resignation if he chooses that route.Harry Marks wrote:That's an astute observation about his kids. But a deal like that can't come from the prosecutors: holding his kids hostage?DB Roy wrote:I think at this point, Trump needs to seriously consider resigning. I think once the Russian collusion thing starts, they will lean on Trump's children and they'll tell him "Resign or we will prosecute them." I think, at that point, he'll resign. The wheels are seriously coming off here. Really, with Weisselberg on their side now, it's really over for Trump.
For whom??? The justice dept are not politicians, are not affiliated with any political party and the head of that dept is a Trump appointee. Political poison for whom?Political poison.
I think they know what they are doing. There's no point to arguing with me about it since I am not a legal expert. There's already talk of resignation so it is likely going to be the way this thing ends. How they get there is up to them. Don't shrug it off just because I'm not a legal expert. Back when the Russian thing first came to light, Huffington Post printed an article about how Trump's presidency would end and it ended with a group of democrats and republicans in Congress going to the White House and telling him he had to resign for the good of the country. And pretty sure that is how it will go.It has to be Trump's idea.
Again, these are legal matters of which I'm not versed. I don't know what the requirements are but they do. They will dot every "i" and cross every "t."And he would have to admit to some wrongdoing and make some commitments, like maybe promising no deals with foreigners, as part of the deal.
Once again, however they choose to execute this thing is up to them. My belief is that they will lean on his children to get a resignation because that will be the best outcome for all involved and leaning on his kids is probably the only way this stupid pigheaded idiot will ever resign. If he doesn't take that deal then he will be impeached and his kids will still go to jail. So what other choice does he have?All the prosecutors can do is pursue the law. They can threaten to prosecute him for state crimes, such as tax evasion (which we can be 95% sure he is guilty of without anyone even saying it), but no state official is going to cut a deal "in exchange for resignation from the Presidency." Rather some go-between would have to broker it.
I agree but this is CLEARLY not all politics. They are some serious charges here.Yeah but that's exactly the point. It was all politics, and the Republicans actually came off looking pretty dumb.
Hmm, I thought I explained already that they are going to go for resignation not impeachment. See, if Trump says, "Go ahead impeach me! This Congress will never vote for it!" They will prosecute his children. If he offers to resign then everything goes away. So even if he is impeached and acquitted or not impeached at all, his children are in prison. That's his choice. By that time, his regime in the White House will be such a disaster that he may as well resign so do it before it's too late. Trump can resign now and make it look like a moral victory. If he drags the country through impeachment proceedings, most of the people will never forgive him for that. If he gets off--all the worse for him. Or if congress votes not to impeach, that won't be acceptable to the people. That's a mockery of the Office. That's not draining the swamp, that's being the king of it. I can only imagine what his marriage will look like by that time. Melania would likely file for divorce and take Barron to Europe claiming all of it was too much for him.Even if the Dems take both houses, which I seriously doubt will happen, they won't have the votes to convict and would need a lot more stuff than this to make it worth the political cost. Let's face it, Trump was guilty his first week in office, with the emoluments clause, but impeachment is a political decision and the Red State voters are in no mood to hold him accountable for his misdeeds.
I said earlier than the dems would not likely take either house in 2018 but I'm not so sure now. I think they will take the senate. They could take the house but that's probably hoping for too much. They will make big gains in the house though.I suspect that #MeToo and the hurricane and fire seasons will cost them even more. Florida is turning blue quickly, and even Texas may go for a Democrat.
But that's why I'm sure they will lean on Trump's kids. It's probably the only way.We can be fairly confident that he didn't expect to win the election in the first place. But I think he might hang on in the vain belief (vain in both senses) that the trade war with China will pay off. It's the one thing he stood for that has any respectability politically. And of course China is not about to give up with their nemesis on the ropes. So we have a game of chicken, with the stakes being the Chinese economy and the follow-on effects around the world if they go into a deep crisis. This is the one scenario in which his trade war really could turn into a repeat of the 2008 crash.