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Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:33 am
by DB Roy
I remember him saying something about that although I didn't know what the hell he was talking about and he seemed to hint it was about the Clinton marriage. I agree that if he stoops to targeting their marriage instead of discussing issues, that SHOULD finish him. But we can't underestimate the stupidity of his supporters. They actually believe he destroyed Hillary in that debate. Then again, so does the Wall Street Journal. I don't know what debate they were watching but it wasn't the one the rest of America watched because the rest of America saw Trump reduced to a sputtering ignoramus the last two and a half hours of the debate. He kept interrupting Hillary to interject the stupidest remarks and lies when they weren't bizarre admissions. A winner doesn't complain afterward that he had a faulty mic and that Lester Holt was biased in favor of Hillary via his choice of questions. What questions were those, Donnie, the ones that required a functioning brain to answer? The only thing transparent about the Trump campaign is his incessant lying. This guy is a buffoon. How could anyone sane vote for him?

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:57 am
by Murmur
DB Roy wrote:I don't know what debate they were watching but it wasn't the one the rest of America watched because the rest of America saw Trump reduced to a sputtering ignoramus the last two and a half hours of the debate.
2.5 hours? The debate was 90 minutes.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:24 pm
by johnson1010
2.5 hours? The debate was 90 minutes.


Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:12 pm
by DB Roy
It seemed to me that it lasted three fucking hours and I actually thought it must have been. And I still think it was even though nobody could possibly listen to Trump for 2.5 hours.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:52 pm
by Murmur
DB Roy wrote:It seemed to me that it lasted three fucking hours and I actually thought it must have been. And I still think it was even though nobody could possibly listen to Trump for 2.5 hours.
The first repub debate was actually 3 hours. That was unnecessarily long. I think it was a year ago.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:58 pm
by DB Roy
But what did they have--17 candidates at the time and all of them wanting their share of the debate stage? Not that the entire lot of them were worth listening to for 3 minutes much less 3 hours. Rubio, at least, understands the difference between first use and first strike and he knows what the nuclear triad is so they go and give the nomination to the guy who has no clue what that stuff is and doesn't care. We're doomed.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:48 am
by johnson1010
accountability.

Honesty.


Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:49 pm
by DB Roy
Trump can't seem to make up his mind whether the Russians are behind the email hacking scandal or not. Then he said it was China. Then he said if it was the Russians, they have 33,000 emails of Clinton's and should release them but at the same time, he said it was total disrespect for Russia or China to hack us. Now he's back to saying that we don't know who it is even though 17 intelligence organizations (the USIC is made up of 16 agencies, in addition to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence) say that Russia is the source of the hack.

Russia is almost certainly the source for Wikileaks. Even the politically neutral PolitiFact agrees with that. I keep encountering people online who tell me Wikileaks and Julian Assange are all they trust. They don't trust Snopes which they insist is a tool of the democratic party. So they are going to reject articles written by known authors with citations to back their assertions in favor of a source that publishes info stolen by mostly anonymous people that may or may not be a deliberate ruse set up by a some govt agency or other. We have to trust that the Russians or Wikileaks didn't doctor any of the shit up. We have to trust a guy who has spent 4 years holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London because he's scared he'll be extradited to Sweden to face rape charges. If I was innocent and being accused of rape, I would demand a trial as quickly as possible. I would demand to see the evidence against me knowing they couldn't have anything other than falsified testimony. By his fleeing and seeking asylum, I have no reason but to conclude Assange is guilty as charged. Now that may have no bearing on the info his organization is leaking but, frankly, I'm not inclined to give an organization run by someone as that the time of day.

The upshot is that Trump himself said the hacking was likely Russian or Chinese but then, by opening his own big mouth too much, put himself on the side of the Russians and then started saying that we don't know who did the hacking.

He roundly got his ass kicked in the debates. By the third one, Clinton was deftly baiting traps for Trump to waltz into and then grinned broadly as she and the world watched him do just that. It was actually amusing to watch Clinton grin watching Trump bumble into trap after trap. You figure more experienced politicians as Mitch McConnell had to be facepalming hard enough to give himself a bloody nose watching Trump blunder into obvious traps. By analogy, imagine walking in the woods with a buddy and you come a sign with an arrow that says, "THIS WAY TO AVOID A TRAP." So you follow the arrow up to a snare set on the ground with a sign on it that says, "THIS MAY LOOK LIKE A SNARE BUT I PROMISE IT IS NOT. YOU CAN STEP IN IT AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN." So your buddy steps in it and it instantly springs and now he's dangling by an ankle yelling for you to help him. What would you do? You'd stand there shaking your head in disbelief. Yet, that's what Clinton did to Trump over and over again.

So much the efficacy of outsiders playing politics. And I'm sick of watching assholes giving free passes to the outsider. I don't care if he is an outsider or not. Being an outsider should not be a free pass to talk like a racist bigot. It should not be a free pass to tell bald-faced lies while holding the insider opponent to the letter. It should not be a free pass to grope women and have extra-marital affairs while condemning his opponent (or her husband) for the same behavior. It should not be a free pass to show utter ignorance of how govt works when you'd lambaste his opponent for showing the same ignorance. All that tells me is that you are too stupid to vote.

Fortunately, most Americans seem to get this and I will be genuinely shocked if Trumps gets in. As far as electoral votes go, I expect this to be pretty lopsided.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:47 pm
by DB Roy
i'm amused to read how wrong I was about nearly everything concerning this election. I said Trump would not get the republican nomination and I was wrong. I said he would not get elected and I was wrong. I said the electoral vote would be lopsided for Hillary and I was dead wrong. In fact, I thought the popular vote would be very close and I was wrong about that too. Hillary has received 2 million more votes than Trump but lost every swing state. Geesh, she only needed a couple and she lost every single one.

The Trumpettes have demonstrated what a queer lot they are by openly gloating and yet become infuriated if you don't agree with them that Trump deserves the presidency. They are the sorest winners I've ever encountered. You would have thought they lost. I think they are mad that he won on electoral votes and falls further and further behind as more popular votes are counted. Though they gloat, you can see that it irks them and that they almost wish Trump had won the popular vote even if he lost the presidency.

But already the carriage is turning back into a pumpkin. Trump is backing off a lot of promises and pissing some people off.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3083926/donal ... paign=2014

He's not going after Clinton as he promised but 62% of his voters expected him to. Even though he acts like it's his decision, he has no authority. the Justice Dept has to make the call and he cannot in any way coerce them. They won't do it because there is nothing to prosecute. But a lot of his supporters are very angry now and calling him just another insider. Well, people, Trump and the Clintons are old FRIENDS! They've known one another a long time! No, he's not going to prosecute. He said that to get your vote.

Rush Limbaugh said he never really thought Trump would go after Clinton but he's still satisfied. Others have said that about the wall--they don't really expect him to build it just beef up the border a bit more. Well, people, why would you vote for someone you KNOW isn't going to keep the promises he is making to you??? Isn't that why you turned against the establishment politicians?? What's that? You just wanted to send a message to Washington? What message was that--that from now on we want crass, bullying, racist, misogynistic blowhards that can't get on message and don't keep their outlandish promises?? Boy, you certainly showed them!!

Then we have Mr Outsider tapping the biggest insiders in the GOP to fill posts. People who were critical of him all through the election are now thrilled to take posts in his administration. Doesn't that set off alarm bells? Of course, in two years, they'll be resigning en masse and claiming they were always against him as a president. Yes, I am saying that I don't think Trump will finish two years before he resigns or is impeached and forced out and those who wisely distanced themselves from him and then very unwisely got in bed with him will be forced to distance themselves from him again and try to make it look like they never supported him. That worked really well for Hillary in voting to authorize war with Iraq.

By then, most of his supporters will not shed a tear because they will have long since decided him to be the Great Betrayer. He's also showing a resistance to scuttling the ACA. I am predicting he will keep it because there's nothing to replace it with. In his list of things-to-do in his first 100 days, he mentioned nothing about the ACA or the wall.

The wall, of course, will not get built. He's already saying parts of it will be a fence. Of course, that's code for MOST of it will be a fence. The wall is not only hugely expensive but it will need openings for Indian tribes and migrating animals and this already compromises it. Much of the area where the wall will sit actually shifts significantly and won't hold much weight making a wall all but impossible. Maintenance would be astronomically high. The $26 billion price tag is, IMO, far too low (even though that's already way more than congress will spend). The final price will be over $100 billion and probably $200 billion. And that's not counting patrolling and maintaining the wall. No, he'll slap up a few hundred more miles of fencing and call it a day and it won't do a damned thing to stop illegals (who's numbers are declining anyway). Besides, his first 100 days list also said nothing about the wall.

He's also shifting on climate change. Before it was a hoax perpetrated by China but now there might be some "connectivity" between the climate and human interaction. That won't go over big for the Fox News crowd for whom climate change is something only damn sissy faggot libtards believe in.

He does seem intent on scuttling TPP but that leaves China in charge of forging a new alliance with former-TPP nations and will shut the US out entirely. I don't get a good feeling about that at all. Not at all.

He has also shifted on torture. Trump couldn't talk big enough about how these towelhead bastards need to be tortured until they're squirming on the floor in a puddle of their own blood but now torture is out. We're not going to do it.

I have a feeling that by the time he leaves office, whenever that might be, everyone will be happy to see him go.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:38 pm
by LanDroid
I have a feeling that by the time he leaves office, whenever that might be, everyone will be happy to see him go.
Heh, well as you say you've been wrong about everything else (as have many of us), what if you're wrong about that? Consider 8 years of Trump followed by someone in the same mold but much worse - perhaps with violent militias enforcing adherence to propaganda. Fun times ahead...