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Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:52 am
by ant
johnson1010 wrote:Ok, whatever Con.

Actually, nearly the entire sitting republican party rejects Trump - even those ill-prepared morons find him distasteful!

WTF were you thinking?

"the face" - geez.

In a sense, Bernie and Trump have more in common with each other than they'd like to admit.
For starters, Dems and Republican parties do not consider them to be part of their establishment.
I could go on..

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:56 am
by LanDroid
Ant wrote:Dont know why libs consider him a Republican when Republican candidates reject him, with the exception of perhaps one or two.
...Actually, nearly the entire sitting republican party rejects Trump - even those ill-prepared morons find him distasteful!
Well I admit I don't get that. Trump doesn't fit into traditional Republican boxes and many in that party fight against him. However he beat 16 other candidates that fit those boxes, earned more votes than any of them, won more states, won more delegates by a wide margin, the Chairman of the RNC is urging all Republicans to support Trump - and he is the nominee of the Republican party! Since the Republican party is nominating Trump, how are we to conclude he is not a Republican?

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 11:05 am
by ant
LanDroid wrote:
Ant wrote:Dont know why libs consider him a Republican when Republican candidates reject him, with the exception of perhaps one or two.
...Actually, nearly the entire sitting republican party rejects Trump - even those ill-prepared morons find him distasteful!
Well I admit I don't get that. Trump doesn't fit into traditional Republican boxes and many in that party fight against him. However he beat 16 other candidates that fit those boxes, earned more votes than any of them, won more states, won more delegates by a wide margin, the Chairman of the RNC is urging all Republicans to support Trump - and he is the nominee of the Republican party! Since the Republican party is nominating Trump, how are we to conclude he is not a Republican?

Probably because voters from both sides are sick and tired of the same old worn out dishonest "business as usual" politics.
That's why you have radical candidates like Bernie and Donald arousing so much fervor.
None of the traditional candidates brought anything new to the table and none of them were very likable to the general public, which is important for voters.
Part of Obama's success was that his personal presentation was very good. His persona was very very likable.

A huge part of Johnson's lack of sophistication and naiveness is he see things as being either black, white, or grey.
Nature AND people are much more nuanced than that.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 11:44 am
by johnson1010
The most impressive thing about you, Ant, is how you obliviously skip over the entire content of a post and then assign your own message to what others have said. And then THAT's what you talk about for the rest of eternity.

Why don't you skip the middle man and just grab totally unrelated text from a different web site and respond to that ad nauseam as though it came from one of us?
This species lives intertidally and subtidally on sandy substrates, and is found primarily in the tropical and subtropical Western Atlantic Ocean, from North Carolina to Uruguay.
You see, what ANT said above is that he doesn't care how many people's face have to be chewed to the bone by piranhas. He is un-sympathetic to the suffering of the piranha gnawed, and that will never change because of his utter lack of sophistication and abundance of "naiveness".

Signed
resident Lib.

#Anting

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 12:07 pm
by ant
Johnson wrote.,
Trump is the face of the new republican.
Bad argument when there are republicans with "faces" that do not reflect any of Trump's rhetoric.


(drops the mic)

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 12:32 pm
by Taylor
LanDroid wrote: Andrew Sullivan employs Plato's Republic, Hoffer's True Believer, and more...http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... trump.html
My initial response to the article was to think that there is an aspect of segregationist language. The segregationist language seems to be employed by both parties in ways that are both overt and subtle. Both parties claim to be unifiers while at the same time finger pointing at the opposition as being at fault for partisanship. Both parties have much more in common in that they seek to segregate on a host of nefarious reasons, the language politicians are using today is undermining decades of work that has been going on between the middle class working stiffs of all races, creeds and nationalities.

LanDroids linked article demonstrates my meaning, DB Roy in this thread has linked articles as well that demonstrate this segregationist language. I don't want to use the expression "race baiting" but it does seem that there is an element of that happening more and more often from media types.

I am wondering if the media and politicians are aware of the real damage they perpetrate on the minds of people who are resistant to the seeming segregationist language?.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 3:18 pm
by ant

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 3:01 pm
by LanDroid
Donald Trump just threatened to cause an unprecedented global financial crisis

In an interview Thursday on CNBC, Donald Trump broke with tired clichés about the evils of federal debt accumulation. "I am the king of debt," he said. "I love debt. I love playing with it."

But he replaced fearmongering about debt with an even more alarming notion — a bankruptcy of the United States federal government that would incinerate the world economy. "I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal," Trump said. "And if the economy was good, it was good. So therefore, you can't lose."

5/6/16
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/06/donald-t ... -debt.html
This is statement # 247 that discredits Trump from being a candidate/nominee/President. But of course after he doubles down on this stupidity, his popularity will increase.

I give up. Folks, Trump is gonna win. President King Trump. Get used to it. :furious: :coco:

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 4:05 pm
by DB Roy
I can't see him winning the presidency. He can't pitch himself to the whole of the American people the way he has to the idiots in the republican party and expect to go anywhere. The man can't pitch a decent plan to save his life and that is what the general populace will expect--a detailed policy telling us what he plans to do, how he plans to do it, how long it will take, how much it costs and where the money will come from. We haven't gotten that yet. Then he will have to go before Congress and defend that plan in all its facets and answer questions such as: "What will you do if your projected budget, which appears to be grossly underestimated, runs out before the project is completed?" "What if you complete this wall and illegals are still crossing over with impunity?" "If you dismantle the ACA, millions will lose their insurance, how will you prevent that?" He can't answer any of those questions because he has no real plans to begin with. He just says that this is what he will do and everybody claps and cheers but he's slightly short on specifics.

"The wall just got ten feet higher" is ludicrous because he's never so much as told us exactly how high it was going to be to begin with. So what does he do? Unveil a plan to make his wall 30 feet high plus an extra 10 or is the extra 10 already figured in? Trump himself has no idea how much it will cost. Every time he's asked about it he jumps the price up another $2-5 billion. Half the shit he wants to do will be declared illegal by SCOTUS (e.g. closing the borders). If he defies SCOTUS, he's opening himself up to impeachment. I can only imagine the tantrum he'll unleash if and when Congress defies him. Probably half the world's leaders will refuse to meet with him. And when they defy him, his damned head will explode. If the American people openly rebel, expect a repeat of the Tienanmen Square slaughter.

No, I don't think he will get elected. Most people can see he does not have anywhere close to the temperament to do the job. He will be the most hated man in the world two years into it at which point he will tire of the job saying people are too stupid to appreciate him and will want to go back to his rich, pampered life in New York. And we haven't even seen what miserable specimen of a human being he's going to nominate as a running mate. Right now, I'm not worried. That could change but I doubt it.

Re: Trump is not a joke

Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 8:27 pm
by DB Roy
ant wrote: None of the traditional candidates brought anything new to the table and none of them were very likable to the general public, which is important for voters.
Part of Obama's success was that his personal presentation was very good. His persona was very very likable.
You may want to take note of fact that Trump is not in any way, by any stretch of even the most vivid imaginations, likable.