Re: HINT: We need a good religion debate!
I don't personally understand "enlightenment." When I learn about the world I consider it education
not enlightenment. And I also don't understand what could be meant by "what life is about" or what "meaning" means. Life isn't about anything. Life doesn't have meaning. For meaning to exist there has to be a conscious being that assigned that meaning. So the meaning of life is whatever each of us assigns to our life. There is no meaning outside of us as individuals.
I'm assuming you think there is a meaning to life that comes from outside of our brains. A meaning that existed before each of us was born and a meaning that will persist after each of us die. To me this is senseless.
I want evidence for immortality before I will consider it. At this point there doesn't seem to be any evidence so to me it is simply wishful thinking. Is an oak tree immortal? How about a kangaroo? Why should we be any different than other lifeforms? I don't see any reason to believe we are.
There just isn't any evidence for this. But there is a ton of evidence that mankind has made up myths as long as we have been able to do so. So which is more likely? Humans created the myth of reincarnation or it is actually a real thing? Again, there is no evidence.
I see good people suffering horribly and bad people living happily. I see no evidence for karma. Do you?
They all make up answers to unanswerable questions.
Why not? Who says? Living creatures compete for limited resources and in the process of competing there is usually a winner and a loser. The pain and suffering of the loser isn't for nothing. It is for the gain of the winner. Life goes on due to the struggle between living creatures. I agree... it sucks.
While you read the writings of mystics and philosophers why not toss a science book in the mix? There are people out there who have devoted their lives to understanding how the natural world works and they are called scientists. I'm not convinced you have a lot to gain by reading what the mystics thought.
Prayer has always appeared to be a one-way discussion to me. I have prayed and then listened. The silence was deafening. If you hear a response I posit that the response is your imagination and wishful thinking.
The key word is "if" and I don't think we have such an ability. So developing an ability that we don't even posses seems like an impossible task.
I hear you. But I do think you're getting a bit of a buzz.