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excellent!

if only i lived a bit closer i could go to church with you.

but since i blasphemed the holy spirit i have only a lost eternity being tortured in hell to look forward to, though he is a merciful god, he is also just, and i only have myself to blame for my lack of faith... ohhh... hang on a minute ....

bible quote from Romans 9

14 Are we saying that God is unfair? Certainly not!
15 The Lord told Moses that he has pity and mercy on anyone he wants to.
16 Everything then depends on God’s mercy and not on what people want or do. 17 In the Scriptures the Lord says to Pharaoh of Egypt, “I let you become Pharaoh, so that I could show you my power and be praised by all people on earth.”
18 Everything depends on what God decides to do, and he can either have pity on people or make them stubborn.

God... you bastard, you made me stubborn

PS: love you jesus

ant wrote:Robert,

You are responding like a typical mythicist.
You, as other mythicists do, convieniently ignor historical evidence that does not suit your views and attempt to replace it with stories of Christian conspiracies that present stories of covert operations involving the insertion of documents that attempt to create or keep a Jesus myth in circulation - with no hard evidence to back those claims up

What ancient source for example indicates that Osiris was born on Dec 25 before 3 shepards?

The BE article is meant to stir the hornets nest.
Read it. Attacking the artIcle is secondary.
BE did a great job. Criticism of it is from Jesus haters. That is their problem not his

You, as other mythicists do, convieniently ignor historical evidence that does not suit your views and attempt to replace it with stories of Christian conspiracies that present stories of covert operations involving the insertion of documents that attempt to create or keep a Jesus myth in circulation - with no hard evidence to back those claims up

There is no historical evidence to back up a claim of this god man. You obviously do not realize Erhman is a fence sitter. The book is nothing more than an attempt to quell his critics.

BE did a great job. Criticism of it is from Jesus haters. That is their problem not his

Spoken like a true believer.

What ancient source for example indicates that Osiris was born on Dec 25 before 3 shepards?

What 1st Century historian indicates jesus was real? None!

Hi Time Bandit, welcome to Booktalk.

You may be interested to read the systematic demolition of Ehrman's specific arguments provided by Earl Doherty at Vridar. The Vridar blog, managed by my Australian compatriot Neil Godfrey, also presents informative critiques of fundie idiots such as Larry Hurtado and James McGrath. Also, Richard Carrier is mostly worth reading despite his arrogance and bigotry, for example this recent summary of the status of his conversation with Ehrman.

And for a hilarious piece of incompetent toadyism, see this.

Sorry to use such inflammatory language, but the quality of debate on this topic is very mixed. At least it is genuinely sparking debate, if not in public beyond the internet.

Robert Tulip wrote:Hi Time Bandit, welcome to Booktalk.

You may be interested to read the systematic demolition of Ehrman's specific arguments provided by Earl Doherty at Vridar. The Vridar blog, managed by my Australian compatriot Neil Godfrey, also presents informative critiques of fundie idiots such as Larry Hurtado and James McGrath. Also, Richard Carrier is mostly worth reading despite his arrogance and bigotry, for example this recent summary of the status of his conversation with Ehrman.

And for a hilarious piece of incompetent toadyism, see this.

Sorry to use such inflammatory language, but the quality of debate on this topic is very mixed. At least it is genuinely sparking debate, if not in public beyond the internet.

Thanks Robert for the welcome. Yes I am familiar with Doherty's demolition of it.David Fitzgerald is worth a read as well:

Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All.
http://www.amazon.com/Nailed-Christian- ... 0557709911

I am about 20% through this but he highlights some excellent arguments and brings a lot of things to light. As I said Erhman's years of fence straddling has suddenly made him unsure of his POV.....

There are some discussions going on here as well:
http://www.jesusneverexistedforum.com/forum

I checked the book preview, looks interesting and to the point.

http://newsimg.ngfiles.com/225000/22537 ... bird_2.jpg

youkrst wrote:excellent!

if only i lived a bit closer i could go to church with you.

but since i blasphemed the holy spirit i have only a lost eternity being tortured in hell to look forward to, though he is a merciful god, he is also just, and i only have myself to blame for my lack of faith... ohhh... hang on a minute ....

bible quote from Romans 9

14 Are we saying that God is unfair? Certainly not!
15 The Lord told Moses that he has pity and mercy on anyone he wants to.
16 Everything then depends on God’s mercy and not on what people want or do. 17 In the Scriptures the Lord says to Pharaoh of Egypt, “I let you become Pharaoh, so that I could show you my power and be praised by all people on earth.”
18 Everything depends on what God decides to do, and he can either have pity on people or make them stubborn.

God... you bastard, you made me stubborn

PS: love you jesus

You stubborn #$%^&

You're welcome to bring your blasphemous self to church with me anytime. It never hurts to shake up the old ladies...

They would really be shook up if they knew they had been lied to the last 2000 years, the whole sheeple herd would stampede.

Time Bandit wrote:They would really be shook up if they knew they had been lied to the last 2000 years, the whole sheeple herd would stampede.

Of course they would.

Funny how many (not all of course) intelligent, well educated, questioning people investigate their faith, and become more devout. Almost as if they hadn't found a lie, but rather truth...

^And what truth would that be Doulos? Lay it on us.