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Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:06 pm
by Chris OConnor
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Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:18 pm
by ginof
so sad that I am 'leading the charge' into these later chapters. I really would like to read what others are thinking! By way of disclosure, I went to Catholic grade school and High School just outside of Philadelphia....so I was pretty surprised that I had never heard of the boycott organized by Catholics in 1934 in Philadelphia (p270). I do know that Philly is, still, kind of a conservative city, but I didn't think it was this far right. Guess I was wrong. I do know a number of very devote Catholics from the area, and remember getting into a heated discussion about the difference between faith and truth with one of my Catholic school mates. Edited by: ginof at: 9/15/05 12:37 am

Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:23 pm
by ginof
Quote:The church's labeling of birth control as a communist conspiracy (p275)Wow, that's rich. Those damn communists. The apparently don't want us to procreate, just have sex for pleasure. Next, they'll want the government to spy on us or something crazy like that.

Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:27 pm
by ginof
One thing educational to me is this chapter is the hostility of the Church to public education. I actually started off in the public system and switched in 3rd grade because it was a better school. And it was, too. But I never thought less of the public school, and was never taught that public school was 'bad'. Perhaps the hostility had cooled by the late 60's and 70's.

Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:32 pm
by ginof
the discussion of Irish vs. Italian is particularly interesting to me (p284) personally because I am Italian and went to a school that was probably 75% Irish. And got beat up a lot for it, too. In our pure, whitebread suburb, we created our own discrimination zone, Irish vs. Italian. Kind of amazing to me that we created our own prejudice (perhaps we got it from our parents) when there were no issues of color, religion, sex (I'm talking 4th grade!) or any of the usual bias culprits. I often wonder why that was, and haven't come up with a satisfactory answer.

Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:35 pm
by ginof
PURE COMEDY: Does W know that the guy who wrote the pledge of alegence preached against the evils of capitalism?

Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:45 pm
by ginof
the case West Virginia Board of Education vs. Barnette is very interesting. I really liked the quote (p 28 from Justice Jackson: Quote:if there is any fixed star on our constellation, it is that no offical, high or petty, can prescribe what shall by orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith thereinUnfortunately, it appears that this quote has been completely wiped from the face of the planet. Scalia certainly doesn't know it. Bush does not either. Does Roberts? Who knows, but it doesn't look good.

Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:04 am
by JulianTheApostate
Amusingly, on the same day that "under God" in the Pledge was ruled unconstitutional, I read the chapter discussing the history of the Pledge. Edited by: JulianTheApostate at: 9/15/05 1:04 am

Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:40 pm
by Mr. P
Quote:Those damn communists. The apparently don't want us to procreate, just have sex for pleasure.Uh...WHY did we hate the Commies then? Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

Re: Ch. 9 - Onward, Christian Soldiers

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:44 pm
by Mr. P
Quote:One thing educational to me is this chapter is the hostility of the Church to public education.Well...the public schools in my area were put down because of educational qulaity, having unsavory (not white) kids and all that. So the aggression was there...just not overt. Passive aggressive tactics is still aggression.The church and the schools attached to them want the tuition as well as the ability to proselytize, so naturally there would be a palpable derision toward the public schools.Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper