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Author:  tat tvam asi [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:56 am ]
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CiE is more along the lines of addressing apologetics in large part Geo. They say Isis was never regarded as a pre-Christian virgin mother, then the response in the book shows that yes, she actually was. All of these mythological points made in the NT myth that have come in behind pre-existing motif's in the Egyptian religion are sorted out and uncovered.

Near the end of the book Murdock provides the theory that most of the Gospels were not merely filtered through Alexandrian scribes, but could have well been created as a hybridizing religious effort in Alexandria by scribes quoting from the Greek Septuigint, instead of the Hebrew bible, which does tend to explain a lot of the inconcistencies in translation of the OT and the geography of ancient Israel. And the connection between Alexandria and Antioch is nothing to brush off so easily. There were of course plenty of hybridizing efforts previously between Greek and Egyptian gods and myths and this practice was not uncommon at all.

Now nothing in the book proves absoutely that no such historical seed could have been at the base of all of this, but it does tend to show that it is very possible that the entire thing is mythology with no fixed historical core to the onion. It's the chapter by chapter on going investigation and the sources provided that are very interesting to sort through for anyone here @ BT, whether or not they agree with the Christ Myth theory. This is simply a scientific analytical investigation pertaining to comparative mythology and religion studies from a secular angle.

Author:  Robert Tulip [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:06 pm ]
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I would like to suggest a vote on three books

Moonwalking with Einstein: The Art and Science of Remembering Everything by Joshua Foer
Amazon

Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection by DM Murdock
Amazon

America Before the Revolution by Daniel K. Richter
Amazon
(mentioned by Saffron here)

Author:  Azrael [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:22 pm ]
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I vote this one. No surprise huh.

Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection by DM Murdock
Amazon

Author:  tat tvam asi [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:26 pm ]
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I'm in for Christ in Egypt by Murdock.

Author:  LanDroid [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:03 am ]
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Wow, scanning through this thread looks like another book on religion would be a big mistake. Both of the others look good. One tidbit on the memory book - the advanced techniques used by the author were also used by Hannibal Lecter. :wink:

Is it too late to suggest something else completely different? I saw a lecture by the author on CSPAN Book TV, very impressive. The book is primarily about the European theater from the German perspective.

The Storm of War: A New History of the Second World War by Andrew Roberts.
http://www.amazon.com/Storm-War-History ... 897&sr=1-1

Author:  Chris OConnor [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:32 am ]
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LanDroid, no it is not too late at all.

Author:  Chris OConnor [ Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:34 am ]
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"The Storm of War" has great reviews and it sure would be interesting to see WWII from the German perspective.

Author:  Vishnu [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:40 am ]
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I gotta cast my vote for Murdock as well.

Author:  Robert Tulip [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:04 am ]
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The question here is which book would produce the best discussion. Having suggested it, I am now re-reading Christ In Egypt by Murdock, and am again struck by what a brilliant, informative and accessible perspective she presents on history. Murdock is a total controversialist, utterly rigorous in method, but uncompromising with regard to what she sees as corrupt and degraded dominant traditions of historiography. Her exclusion from academic discussion is a scandal. On the one side she is treated as a pariah due to the prejudice of those who cannot imagine their precious Jesus is a myth, and on the other side she is castigated by prejudiced modernists who see myth as obsolete. Murdock treads the narrow path between these errors to bring myth alive. This is why she gets attacked with such vitriol from all sides; she is casting decisive blows to the houses of cards of both orthodox theology and secular atheism. Every page of Christ in Egypt is brimful with scholarly research on the real story of how Christianity came to be, analysed with dispassionate scientific logic and evidence.

Christ in Egypt was just published in 2009, and has not really been noticed in mainstream circles, although it has received some excellent reviews. In many ways it presents a starting point for analysis, which a Booktalk discussion could help. There is plenty of scope for discussion about how the book has been received and the cultural implications of its findings, especially regarding what the relation between Egyptian and Christian religion has to say about the status of contemporary Christianity.

Booktalk has not previously selected a book that claims that Jesus Christ did not exist. This is a live cultural debate, where Booktalk can make a real contribution. Whether or not Christian apologists join, there is abundant material here for learning about a topic that is culturally important but weakly understood by most.

Author:  Dexter [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:49 am ]
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I'm not interested in reading 600 pages on the subject -- I don't need much convincing that it's all based on myths -- but may Jesus be with you all on your quest. :pop:

Author:  Vishnu [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:18 pm ]
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^And that's fair enough. Perhaps this nomination did happen at a bad time, when every one is still burned out on the topic in the wake of Stahrwe's ban. Nevertheless, like I said in an earlier post, the advantage this particular nomination has is that we will get to discuss it directly with the author herself.

Author:  tat tvam asi [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:15 pm ]
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Yeah, Dexter's right. There are several people here that already know that the Jesus myth is based on a bunch of Egyptian mythology and don't need to read 600 pages to know or confirm that. For those people this book more or less guides you along to helpful ways of proving and establishing that stance in ways you may not understand at the moment. It's still a good read in terms of how she goes through this in-depth investigation. I already understood most this before the book ever came out but I went ahead and read it anyways to just see what she was able to come up with. I'd definately suggest the book to scholars or laymen who already pretty much understand that the NT is myth just because of the direction she takes and how interesting it all turns out.

Author:  skullnboner [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:45 pm ]
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Akhenaten wrote:
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1. Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection by DM Murdock
Booktalk member Tat Tvam Asi has said that Ms Murdock would be willing to participate in discussion. This book presents a very interesting study of the relation between religion and mythology.



I'd like to see a vigorous discussion on this topic defended by DM Murdock and look forward to the lively exchange.


I concur. I too would love to see a discussion of this book, esp. if the author will be participating.

Author:  tat tvam asi [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:56 pm ]
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Skull, long time no see!!!

What brings you to BT?

Author:  skullnboner [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:00 pm ]
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tat tvam asi wrote:
Skull, long time no see!!!

What brings you to BT?


Nice to see you too..lol! Let's just say a little birdie sent me this way. :wink:

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