Re: Chapters 1-3: Up From Slavery
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:03 am
Formal legal equality, which only partly existed with freedom from slavery, does not by any means connote cultural equality. Discrimination, illiteracy and the whole host of other forces keeping blacks down mean that pointing to technical freedom is just the first step on a very long and still ongoing path towards real equality.DWill wrote:After the war, slaves became Americans. Before this, they were not. That generation of slaves (out of how many generations on U.S. soil?) presumably had the opportunity to become equal with whites.
I have not studied the history of the period in detail, but would be surprised if anyone seriously thought that government action could generate racial equality in their lifetimes in the nineteenth century. The useful thing about reading Booker T now is that he shows a hard headed appreciation of the real difficulties of advancement, and does not put spin above substance, but looks to a gradual and incremental path.DWill wrote: The failure of Reconstruction in the South, and racism in the North, prevented that from happening.
True, but the current descendants of slaves today are much better off in the USA than the majority of people in Africa. That was Booker T’s point about providence, that despite the suffering, even in his day the opportunities for blacks in America were greater than for blacks in Africa.DWill wrote: Regardless of bad conditions in Africa (to what degree caused by colonial powers?), it isn't true, IMO, that slaves were better off than Africans who had avoided capture.
And Booker T’s point was that realizing equality is an extremely slow process. He may simply be realistic. If you adopt the approach to pretend there is equality when in fact there is not, by accepting lower standards for blacks through quotas and affirmative action, then there is of course the argument that the different levels of performance have to be adjusted to reflect how discrimination conceals merit. It is difficult to assess the consequences and merits of the rival approaches regarding positive discrimination for minorities, but there is certainly some unease about the relationship between diversity and standards of excellence. Many African countries would be far better off as UN protectorates. Self Government is often a disastrous recipe for tyranny.DWill wrote: The Africans had the basic human rights to have their own culture (again Europeans disrupted that) and families. Living in a dynamic economy did slaves no good at all, and for freed blacks it was a blessing not realized.
Maybe that should be “every” individual, since in fact injustice does hold people down, for example through wrongful imprisonment and its broad social ripple effects.DWill wrote:
past and even continuing injustice cannot hold down the individual.
This is where I consider Christianity has much to offer, especially the idea from John the Baptist that forgiveness is conditional on repentance. Love is unconditional, merited simply by existing, but respect must be earned. Forgiveness is able to dissolve the bitterness of feelings of hatred, but it usually requires that those who are forgiven understand that what they did was wrong. The astounding thing in the case of Booker T was that he forgave white America for its unrepentant bigotry, as he saw more tactical advantage for blacks in accepting compromise on matters such as segregation than in putting energy into removing egregious injustice. My view on this is that forgiveness for unrepentant evil is only ever a form of tactical regrouping, since otherwise there is an element of blessing something you know to be wrong, a strategy which will always fester in tension and eventually explode into conflict.DWill wrote: Washington doesn't want anyone to wallow in victimhood. As you say, making the leap over large cultural barriers asks of people a degree of determination and strength that we in the privileged classes can't imagine.
Racial equality in the USA is still a work in progress, but has obviously advanced considerably over the last century and a half. The critical point here is whether equality can be achieved through government insistence, or if it requires deeper cultural change. Obviously the latter, which opens the challenge of questions like black participation in business management. http://www.kauffman.org/~/media/kauffma ... s_2015.pdf analyses census data to show that racial composition of startups from 1996 to 2014 saw Whites slip from 77.1% to 59.1%, Blacks grow slightly from 8.4% to 9.2%, and the real advancement occurring with doubling rates among Latinos from 10.0% to 22.1%, Asians from 3.4% to 6.8% and Others 1.0% to 2.7%. Figure 3A Changes in Composition of New Entrepreneurs by Race (1996, 2014). I wonder if more respect for Booker T Washington today would mean that black number could be higher.DWill wrote:
The potential for freedom and sharing in the American Dream that freed blacks had in 1865 also doesn't come close to making the previous 200 years of slavery a fortunate circumstance.
Unfortunately, that imaginative dream bears little connection to any realistic alternative history. The gross inequality of pre-industrial times meant that blacks were treated like animals without rights or dignity, due to whites having the power of guns and writing. Where people have the power to enslave others they will do so. It is quite hard to imagine circumstances of an alternative history in which this power of white coordination would have been unable to control and exploit a subaltern black population, until after the looms could spin themselves.DWill wrote: It is possible to imagine circumstances under which, like any immigrant populations, Africans could have enjoyed the basic right to immigrate, either to the U.S. or to other countries to seek better lives.
No, far from it, I admire African culture and am directly interested in the vexed question of how Africans can escape from poverty. The core issue is that development depends on personal responsibility and honesty, not charity. Community development projects do provide help, but only on a small scale, and never at the level of cultural transformation that is required to institute modern values of good governance and overcome grand corruption. I pointed in the thread I started on Equality to the amazing change in China from a command to a market economy as the single decisive historic event that delivered the Millennium Development Goal of halving extreme poverty between 2000 and 2015. Meanwhile all the handwringing projects of the United Nations saw Africa stagnate in that time, due to a failure of leadership and vision. The profoundly depressing conclusion of the United Nations Development Program in their MDG completion report for Africa published at http://www.undp.org/content/undp/en/hom ... ction.html was that “Although overall poverty rates in Africa are still hovering around 48 percent, according to the most recent estimates, most countries have made progress on at least one goal.” This appalling failure of a continent of a billion people to make progress amidst such global technological opportunity demonstrates that the inability to hear the home truths of the Booker T’s of this world condemns the poor to a bleak future.DWill wrote: You also appear to view African societies as inherently hopeless and without positive characteristics, a large generalization that needs to be examined.
Yes, if Lee had achieved partition the result would have been that the Confederacy would now be much much poorer than the can-do Yankees. Nations of rentiers are stagnant. The south was very lucky that Lincoln saved them from their own blinkered stupidity.DWill wrote: The quick, natural demise of the slave economy would be easier to believe in if it had already been in decline at the outbreak of the war, but it was ascendant, with more slave labor than ever. Another thought experiment is to speculate how many decades more it would have lasted had Lincoln let the South go its own way.
Here is an interesting seven minute talk about a museum of slavery. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NToQ3iwz7LQ