Re: Force
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:54 pm
There was never laissez-faire capitalism in the entire history of the world, as there has never been a market or economy that wasnt regulated in some way by political economic systems.
You deregulate and phase things out overtime, not overnight.Interbane wrote:Well, we haven't had such a system wholesale, but we have in pieces. Financial regulation for example. We took it away and the world exploded. If we switched in every way to full-scale LF, I doubt we could recover.
I have already looked at Libertarianism, libertarisnism. I do not need to again.Interbane wrote: MrA, you should look to Libertarianism or something a bit closer to reality.
It does not violate individual rights, niether does laissez-faire capitalism.Interbane wrote:Objectivism violates many 'rights'.
That is not a right. When you do issue that, you violate potential employees that are willing to work fora certain amount, and employers for hiring at a certain amount. Any governmental interference in that, violates individual rights, in laissez-faire capitalism.Interbane wrote: The right for fair and equitable pay.
The banks in laissez-faire capitalism are not controlled by governmetnal regulations, and no one is forced to deal with them.Interbane wrote:The right not to be nickel and dimed by big banks.
That is not a right. Don't buy the car if it doesn't satisfy standards you have for when it crashes. Forcing a business to comply to such standards violates their rights.Interbane wrote: The right for a car to have certain minimum standards when it crashes.
All individuals, no matter race, gender, whatever, pay is determined by employer. That is theirs to do by right. If anyone has a problem with the amount of pay, don't work for them.Interbane wrote: The right for a woman to be paid the same as a man if she is equally qualified.
You cannot use governmental force to make a business hire people they do not want to hire. It's against their right to deal with, and employ whoever they want to.Interbane wrote: The right to employment without religious descrimination.
They can draw up what they want to in the loan, if you do not want to agree to the terms, seek a loan elsewhere, otherwise, governmetnal intervention into such matters, would violate the rights of the lender.Interbane wrote: The right to take out loans that aren't tricked up with volatile fine print.
You have failed to support that claim.Interbane wrote:Objectivism is tyranny.
No, individual rights, as such.Interbane wrote:You protect the "rights" of the upper class,
Perhaps, individual rights, as such, is a fairy tale to you, but not to me.Interbane wrote:It's a fairy tale.
Yes, MrA, I have. Why do you think that's such an important question? I've read it and I understand it as a fiction novel, since it does not represent the way the world works. The religious always ask if I've read the bible when I disagree with them. People seem to think that their book is infallible, because they can see no fault. That doesn't mean the faults aren't there.Again, I ask you, now for the fourth time, have you read Atlas Shrugged?
And I ask now, have you read Rand's views on Man's Rights, The Nature of Government, The Structure of Government?
I find that very insulting of my intelligence, and an ad hominem.Interbane wrote: Your devotion to Objectivism is as irrational as the fundamentalists devotion to a literal interpretation of the bible.
That ultra picture is not what Atlas Shrugged is about, although you wouldn't know it if you just listened to some of Rand's madder acolytes. Rather, it is about what would happen if a neo-communist government took over in the USA, how the entrepreneurial spirit would be crushed, and the economy would collapse. It is not legitimate to take this legitimate dystopia based on Rand's traumatic experience in communist Russia, warning of the risks of excessive socialist demagogery, to argue for the other extreme, a complete absence of government regulation of the economy.DWill wrote:I have to admit I'm curious to read Atlas Shrugged and see if I can understand how Rand convinced so many readers that her ultra laizzez-faire could exist in our world. The economic activity of individuals has been regulated since day one of economies. To Randians, this means we haven't reached a state of perfection, but I think it just shows that such a thing is impossible.