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Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:29 pm
by KindaSkolarly
In his final days, Kurt Vonnegut was a follower of Alex Jones. He sent Jones a sketch:

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Vonnegut had seen seven shades of bullshit come out of our govt over the years, and he knew the truth when he heard it in Jones.

Infowars.com

And the Disney Company. Where to begin with that? I guess its greatest achievement must be the way that it has infantilized so many adults. Disney is a foul organization, yet it gets people to use phrases like "squeaky clean" to describe it. Disney, like the NY Times, Washington Post and the Guardian, is a propaganda arm of the oligarchical establishment.

Disney is especially bad because of the way it targets children. They've been running sexualization programs for decades. They take a girl, build her up into a star with a huge fan base, and then they sexually degrade the girl. The fans that identify with her put themselves through the same degradation.

Miley Cyrus comes to mind. She was Disney's "Hannah Montana." Parents viewed the show as innocuous and let their girls watch it. Then, when the parents were no longer looking, Cyrus morphed. From this...

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...to this...

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Her fans went along with her. Just look around a city sidewalk today to see the result.

Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera were Mouseketeers on the Mickey Mouse Club back in the 1990s. Sounds innocent enough. But both Spears and Aguilera underwent the degrading sexualization as they grew older. Then in 2003 they took part in a Satanic ritual on television. Her Old Satanic Majesty, Madonna, handed her crown over to Spears at an MTV awards ceremony. Video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE3pJMk-9Bw

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So Disney promotes the degrading sexualization of children, Satanism, and now suicide. They're heavily into the "climate crisis" bullshit, where carbon is bad for the planet, and we're carbon-based life forms, therefore we must be eliminated.

This is the kind of stuff that Alex Jones was talking about back when Kurt Vonnegut was a fan. You folks have some catching up to do.

Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:25 am
by geo
KindaSkolarly wrote:In his final days, Kurt Vonnegut was a follower of Alex Jones. He sent Jones a sketch:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this is bullshit. (Fake news!!) Kurt Vonnegut was definitely NOT a follower of Alex Jones. You'll have to come up with something to back up your claim.

The sketch you provided was taken from the author's web site when he died.

"The author’s Web site, updated after his death, displayed a simple black-and-white image of a bird cage — a symbolic element in his writing — empty with an open door. “Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. 1922-2007,” the page read.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vonn ... 1620070412

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Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:29 pm
by Harry Marks
KindaSkolarly wrote: So Disney promotes the degrading sexualization of children, Satanism, and now suicide. They're heavily into the "climate crisis" bullshit, where carbon is bad for the planet, and we're carbon-based life forms, therefore we must be eliminated.
Not sure what Disney has to do with literature. If you want to see literature about the sexualization of children, read "Lolita." And then there is Thomas Hardy's depiction of suicide in reaction to overpopulation, in "Jude the Obscure." The stuff carbon-based life forms get to thinking about, well, it's enough to make you worry they will ruin the planet.

I find all the reveling in sexuality onstage to be deplorable, myself. (Makes me nervous to be agreeing with you about something, but there we are.) It's an indicator of the addictive process at work in violation of norms. After a while, people yawn at the sort of naughtiness that made my grandparents consider Show Biz to be instrinsically sinful. So then performers ratchet up what they scandalize people with, what with wardrobe malfunctions and crotch-grabbing. Before you know it presidential candidates are getting yawns for bragging about grabbing other people's crotch. Suggests we need censorship to keep the thrill in sexuality. I mean seriously, if Disney is in on it, how much longer can it titillate?
KindaSkolarly wrote:This is the kind of stuff that Alex Jones was talking about back when Kurt Vonnegut was a fan. You folks have some catching up to do.
Well, Vonnegut may have been a demigod, but he made mistakes too, just like any other demigod.

Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:38 pm
by KindaSkolarly
#MeToo campaign shows its ultra-right colors: Hachette Book Group suppresses Woody Allen’s memoir
"...Who will these middle class fanatics seek to silence next? Allen has been a significant cultural figure in the US for more than a half-century. Now, Farrow, an unprincipled scoundrel and former adviser to warmonger Hillary Clinton, has been given veto power over who may and may not have a book published in the US. Hachette officials’ capitulation is disgusting, but entirely predictable....."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/0 ... h-m09.html

As for Vonnegut...

Back around 2006 Alex Jones sent out some material about the 9/11 attacks to various writers. Vonnegut was among them. He responded by sending Jones a note, and a card (the one pictured above, with his signature doodled signature on it). He tried to get Vonnegut to come on the radio show for an interview but he was too frail. He died the next year.

Our govt told us that the laws of physics were suspended on 9/11. Then later the govt issued a demonstrable lie about what happened on that day (The Kean Commission report). Anybody who doesn't face the fact that our govt was involved in the false flag attack is a craven coward. History will not forgive us for letting our leaders get away with the obvious lie of 9/11. People around Vonnegut said he was giving 9/11 a second look. Too bad he didn't make it onto the Alex Jones show to share his thoughts.

Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:46 pm
by DWill
The extremes of right and left meet on this one: 9/11 an inside job. Who says never the twain shall meet? To the point of what Kurt Vonnegut may have thought about it all: should we care?

Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:18 pm
by geo
DWill wrote:The extremes of right and left meet on this one: 9/11 an inside job. Who says never the twain shall meet? To the point of what Kurt Vonnegut may have thought about it all: should we care?
This particular conspiracy theory does have deeper roots than some of the other stuff that comes from Alex Jones. But the very fact that Alex Jones believes it makes it easy to dismiss it. He's made so many ridiculous claims over the years.

The why we are talking about Kurt Vonnegut is that I questioned Kindskolarly's initial claim that Kurt Vonnegut was a "follower" and "fan" of Alex Jones. I said this was highly unlikely and stand by it. Kindskolarly is now saying that Vonnegut merely sent Alex Jones one of his drawings, but that in itself means nothing. If you've read any of Vonnegut's autobiographical books—particularly A Man Without A Country, published two years before his death—you would know that Vonnegut was a very independent thinker. The idea that he was a "fan" of Alex Jones' is simply preposterous, unless he had dementia in his later years. Furthermore, if the claim that Vonnegut was a "fan" came from Alex Jones' mouth, well, there you have it.

Sorry for my tone. I'm not a fan of Jones or his conspiracy theories.

Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:07 pm
by DWill
And by "why should we care?,' I meant that Vonnegut, whatever his political persuasion might be, was an author of imaginative fiction. That's his expertise, if we can call it that, and he is justly famous for it. His being cited as someone whose opinion matters in regard to 9/11 is similar to citing any celebrity on political issues. They don't merit special credibility when they express opinions outside of their fields.

Alex Jones, it's clear by now, doesn't have a sense of shame.

Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:49 am
by DB Roy
Oh, Vonnegut was a follower of Jones because Infowars said so. And I also found it on the internet when I googled it but it turned out to the OP of this very thread.

Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:48 pm
by KindaSkolarly
The Vonnegut story was just a blip on a few sites at the time, and that was years ago. I was surprised that I found the image of the card. Try DuckDuckGo. Google is a ChiCom company now.

Jones contacted several authors at the time. He asked if he could interview them regarding their opinions about 9/11. The only respondent I recall going on his show was Gore Vidal. I listened to the interview and remember Vidal said, "It seems the age of the thirty-five dollar entree is upon us." I think he'd eaten at the restaurant in the Driskill Hotel the night before. Anyway, they talked about 9/11 and the lack of a NORAD response. Vidal said he was surprised by the testimony of Norman Mineta, who was our Secretary of Transportation on 9/11. NORAD response was supposed to be automatic, but Mineta told this story (1:45):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjR0gGXV-04

So, why was Cheney involved in the NORAD shoot-down process on that day? Vidal said he shouldn't have been. His father had helped set up the intercept protocols and they were automatic, no permission required.

World-Renowned Author Gore Vidal on 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSCR3TQj9sw

Damn the internet's amazing. I just did another search and found that clip. I'm surprised it hasn't been scrubbed from Youtube. Posted 11 years ago. Jones interviewed Vidal in the studio before it had video capability, and it looks as if he caught Vidal after the radio show for a follow-up on the interceptor information. I'm really glad he did.

Re: the Left's War Against Literature

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:14 am
by geo
DWill wrote:. . . Alex Jones, it's clear by now, doesn't have a sense of shame.
And then there's this:

Alex Jones Is Told to Stop Selling Sham Anti-Coronavirus Toothpaste . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/nyre ... -cure.html