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Nothing lasts forever. Is that true?
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At 3.5 billion years, this comes close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFSAWiTJsjc
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On a long enough time line 3.5 quadrillion years is nothing. I want to know if anything lasts forever.
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read into the heat death of the universe a bit.

the time lines there are tremendously huge. not forever, i think, but real numbers anticipated to actually transpire as predicted.
In the absence of God, I found Man.
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Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?

Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?

Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?
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A human life will last forever. When a human life ends, her forever ends.
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That's a beautiful answer. I can't find anything that lasts forever. Everything natural seems to terminate. It just seems to me then that anything that lasts forever is unnatural. If something is forever and can't change - it seems a monstrous tyranny. Of course, anything natural that lasted forever would blast this idea to pieces. What about energy?
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George Harrison's beautiful response.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ebtC3ORg9fU
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My view is that there are three types of eternity, matching to the three subjects taught in Plato's Academy, logic, physics and ethics.

Logic: the laws of mathematics last forever, outside time. The ratio between the diameter and circumference of a circle is always equal to pi

Physics: the laws of physics last forever within time. The universe appears to be permanently consistent.

Ethics: Human values touch on enduring truths which hold unchanged forever on historical time scales.
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Robert Tulip wrote:My view is that there are three types of eternity, matching to the three subjects taught in Plato's Academy, logic, physics and ethics.

Logic: the laws of mathematics last forever, outside time. The ratio between the diameter and circumference of a circle is always equal to pi

Physics: the laws of physics last forever within time. The universe appears to be permanently consistent.

Ethics: Human values touch on enduring truths which hold unchanged forever on historical time scales.

1) Where in Nature does a perfect circle exist?

2) What evidence is there to confirm that the laws of physics existed prior to the big bang (which there is evidence for to date)

3) Prior to the existence of Humans, how were "human values" eternal and what evidence to you have to confirm it?

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Please forgive my skepticism.
All my beliefs and knowledge are based STRICTLY ON EVIDENCE.
You know, like, an omnipotent intelligence could not have existed prior to the BB because there is no evidence for it.
Nothing intelligent could have existed prior to the human race because there is no evidence for it.

Etc, etc.
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Ant makes a good argument against point number one although at first glance the answer given by Tulip is intriguing. A circle is an abstract idea. Is it naturally occurring? Going beyond this and keeping strictly to math - it's all pretty much abstract, isn't it? It's naming what we see. Classifying and explaining through numbers. With Physics, a law may be a law unless something changes. Laws are only laws until they're broken and if these are laws based on a universe that will cease then the laws cannot last forever because the conditions in which they explain will not last forever. If it's the history of what once was, this too can be lost.

Ethics. Truth. Truth is not assured of lasting forever. Truth can be lost. Knowledge can be lost forever as far as we know today. I can't speak for the future.
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