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Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:52 pm
by ant
Interbane wrote:
God is "hiding" "He" needs to show himself (evidence) to prove he exists (an absent parent that cares is around for the child to see. otherwise, the child becomes rebellious and insecure).
Straw man #14

Who here is claiming he needs to show himself? I don't care if he acts as if he doesn't exist. I won't believe he exists in that case. Does that make you angry? Your post sounded a bit heated, as if atheists were being absurd to ask for evidence before believing something. No, I will not believe Muhammed’s writings without something to corroborate his anecdotes. Christian authors get no special treatment. L. Ron Hubbard as well.

Everyone peddles their ideological wares without evidence, then blames the non-believers for not believing! Yes, we atheists don’t believe because we’re immature children. You got us pegged!
This is something that rubs atheists the wrong way. In a chaotic cosmos they look for certainty just as much as the theist.
Straw man #15. Show me someone who has a stronger distaste for 'certainty' than myself. This one isn't only a straw man, it's the exact opposite!

Oh come on now. The Freudian analysis was just that., and analysis of the big stink atheists, militant in particular, make of their belief in the non existence of God. It wasn't an "argument" Duh!
It's very important that we were all once fishies to the atheist because that would certainly mean god does not exist. :D

I noticed you were more interested in getting emotional here and didn't bother with the meat and potatoes of my post - the theory of evolution.
I must have hit some Freudian soft spot.

But it is all very Freudian.

BTW,
You mentioned the word hiding. It's not a stretch to imply that if "he" is "hiding" you'd like to see him come out of hiding.
Don't get your shorts knotted up over my commenting on your childish cosmic hide-and-seek game you think is going on. You're the ridiculous one here.

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:53 pm
by ant
These posts are becoming increasingly ridiculous.

Okay. Bye

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:08 pm
by ant
ps: hay ant, what about The Plague? Let's hear it!
I admire the atheistic message Albert Camus has to share in The Plague.

My interpretation of the story is that in the face of human suffering it does not matter if god exists or not, we are fellow sufferers that need not look elsewhere for help. What saves us in the end is our humanity, our humane involvement. The willingness of each person to do their part. The character Rieux exemplifies this.
(in a nutshell)

:)

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:11 pm
by Interbane
You mentioned the word hiding. It's not a stretch to imply that if "he" is "hiding" you'd like to see him come out of hiding.
I'm sorry, but the joke's on you here. I don't believe he's hiding. How silly of a rationalization is that. The simplest explanation is that he's a fictional entity. I say "he's hiding" as a way of poking fun. "Where's the elephant you said was in the back yard?" "Oh, he's hiding behind that there tree." Yep.

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:13 pm
by ant
Interbane wrote:
You mentioned the word hiding. It's not a stretch to imply that if "he" is "hiding" you'd like to see him come out of hiding.
I'm sorry, but the joke's on you here. I don't believe he's hiding. How silly of a rationalization is that. The simplest explanation is that he's a fictional entity. I say "he's hiding" as a way of poking fun. "Where's the elephant you said was in the back yard?" "Oh, he's hiding behind that there tree." Yep.

You wrote it, you wear it, pal.

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:20 pm
by Dexter
Someone try to get ant to give one actual belief that he has that makes him different from atheists.

Otherwise what are you arguing about? The continued strawman position that atheists have a proof of non-existence?

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:34 pm
by ant
Dexter wrote:Someone try to get ant to give one actual belief that he has that makes him different from atheists.

Otherwise what are you arguing about? The continued strawman position that atheists have a proof of non-existence?

Don't be silly.
I know atheists dont have a proof of non-existence.
For real? You actually think that's what my posts are based on?
That's actually YOUR strawman.., you're ragging against something I've never asserted here.
My contention is that atheists who assert god does not exist are absurd, like Robert, who believe in some warped manner that "science is atheistic"
Yeah,, he said that. Can you believe that garbage?

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:55 pm
by Dexter
ant wrote: Don't be silly.
I know atheists dont have a proof of non-existence.
For real? You actually think that's what my posts are based on?
That's actually YOUR strawman.., you're ragging against something I've never asserted here.
That's not the first time you've called me silly or dumb for accurately stating your position. I realize it must seem dumb once you look at it again. You've criticized atheists over and over again for being certain about non-existence, even though no one actually claimed that -- hence the strawman -- again, and again, and again.

If you have something else, then since atheists are immature, childish, etc., what would be the mature position? To be agnostic? To believe an actual religious claim, or not?

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:11 pm
by ant
Dexter wrote:
ant wrote: Don't be silly.
I know atheists dont have a proof of non-existence.
For real? You actually think that's what my posts are based on?
That's actually YOUR strawman.., you're ragging against something I've never asserted here.
That's not the first time you've called me silly or dumb for accurately stating your position. I realize it must seem dumb once you look at it again. You've criticized atheists over and over again for being certain about non-existence, even though no one actually claimed that -- hence the strawman -- again, and again, and again.

If you have something else, then since atheists are immature, childish, etc., what would be the mature position? To be agnostic? To believe an actual religious claim, or not?
Actually, Militant Atheists in particular.
Yes, I say there is a freudian issue involved. I am not the originator of that claim. It is a psychological analysis based on the overt hostility to all things related to religion and the very notion of a cosmic figure who's "authority" underlies universal law.
Daddy issues - where is daddy and why has he let us down. He must not care because he seems so uninvolved with my life and he doesn't want to speak to me to prove he cares. Some of my siblings say they have a personal relationship with him, and for that, I am angry and will destroy their faith in him.

Re: Could humans grow beaks in another million years..,

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:36 pm
by Dexter
ant wrote: Daddy issues - where is daddy and why has he let us down. He must not care because he seems so uninvolved with my life and he doesn't want to speak to me to prove he cares. Some of my siblings say they have a personal relationship with him, and for that, I am angry and will destroy their faith in him.
Got it. Freudian nonsense. Duck questions about actual beliefs.

This is kind of like the brilliant argument by theists who say you must believe in God because you're talking about him.