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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightat ... en-proven/

http://ncse.com/cej/1/2/common-creation ... ks-geology

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Psst.. psycho,

TOE is and was never meant to be a refutation of the existence of a supreme intelligence.

Are you in any way familiar with the history of science?



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https://skeptic78240.wordpress.com/2012 ... lood-hoax/

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/12-10-17/

https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/6flood.htm



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Psst.. psycho,

TOE is and was never meant to be a refutation of the existence of a supreme intelligence.

Are you in any way familiar with the history of science?

Is there any way you can make a point without name-calling?


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It's morally disgusting you should even come close to defending this bigot who clearly has free reign to mock and ridicule people of religion. You are hypocritically selective.

I also find it amusing how quickly you forget just how condescending some of you people can be but then cry like big **sies when someone else lets you have it back.

Dont make me laugh.



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ant wrote:
It's morally disgusting you should even come close to defending this bigot who clearly has free reign to mock and ridicule people of religion. You are hypocritically selective.

I also find it amusing how quickly you forget just how condescending some of you people can be but then cry like big **sies when someone else lets you have it back.

Dont make me laugh.

On this particular thread, DB Roy has only posted links. There was no vitriol until you came along. It's embarrassing.


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ant wrote:
It's morally disgusting you should even come close to defending this bigot who clearly has free reign to mock and ridicule people of religion. You are hypocritically selective.

I also find it amusing how quickly you forget just how condescending some of you people can be but then cry like big **sies when someone else lets you have it back.

Dont make me laugh.

On this particular thread, DB Roy has only posted links. There was no vitriol until you came along. It's embarrassing.



The only thing embarrassing is how conveniently short and selective your memory is.



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http://www.theskepticalreview.com/jftpr ... flood.html

This one takes the bible head on, grants the inerrantists every point, and the Good Book still comes up short.



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Post Re: Useful scientific resources to silence fools
DB Roy wrote:
http://www.theskepticalreview.com/jftpr ... flood.html

This one takes the bible head on, grants the inerrantists every point, and the Good Book still comes up short.


So here we have a slew of linked articles from D.B. purporting to provide "useful scientific resources to silence fools".

We have the usual mishmash of claimed biblical contradictions and supposed scientific refutation of the biblical account in Genesis. The main target here is the Genesis flood.

The Genesis account provides a table of nations arising from the descendants of Noah and his three sons and their descendants.

When ancient histories,archaeology and philology are consulted we can find remarkable confirmations of the historicity of these founders of the post flood world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHL8UU0BEgk

D.B. of course thinks it's all myth including the gospel accounts of Christ. Archaeology though refutes him with evidence for Pilate,Caiaphas the high priest, and Jesus himself to name but a few.

As for the scientific refutation of the Genesis flood here are a couple of points worth remembering. Geology divided historically between Uniformitarianism and Catastrophism.

Uniformitarianism has been in the ascendancy for a long time now, however catastrophism is making a comeback among mainstream geologists.
This is the crucial difference. Were the sedimentary rock layers laid down very slowly or rapidly or perhaps a combination of both?

Unfortunately for the evolutionary dogmatists,the fossil record is far from supporting their hypothesis.

D.B. linked an articles by paleontologist Donald Prothero deriding the flood account.

Here's a review of Prothero's book on the fossils by a creationist.

Could the fossilization of a large dinosaur occur over millions of years? Obviously not. Incidentally those who may recall Prothero's debate with Richard Sternberg must know just how poorly he fared in that debate,which is on youtube.

http://creation.com/review-prothero-evo ... nd-fossils

And for the record it's a striking fact that Genesis describes the original earth as being a united continent with the oceans being one mass and that was way before plate tectonics were discovered.

So how did the author who would have known at the time of writing,that there were different continents and oceans get this right?



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DB Roy's thread here actually gave me an idea that I think is worth considering. There are useful web sites that give overviews of science (without tackling Creationist beliefs per se). Here's one that discusses evolution:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015 ... ution-101/

And here's a couple that give overviews on climate science:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/scie ... rview.html

It seems a good bet that National Geographic and NASA are mainstream, credible organizations and that these scientific articles are trustworthy. If one's political or religious beliefs are at odds with such mainstream views, that should probably be seen as a red flag and, more importantly, an opportunity for self reflection. I use my own experience as a global warming skeptic as an example here. At some point, I realized that my own skepticism was somewhat out of step with NASA's and National Geographic's! That seems pretty arrogant. It comes down to Occam's razor. Is it more likely that I'm right or National Geographic?

In this day of rampant Google bias and create your own reality, it's all too easy to find blogs or articles that agree with what we already believe. But when it comes to science, looking at the consensus can be a valuable reality test. Obviously seeing what the consensus is only a starting point. To become more informed requires an open mind and a willingness to learn.


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Post Re: Useful scientific resources to silence fools
Hi Flann, here's a vid I thought you would enjoy though I'm pretty sure you would have seen all the Berlinski stuff before.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8



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Hi Flann, here's a vid I thought you would enjoy though I'm pretty sure you would have seen all the Berlinski stuff before.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8

Thanks Youkrst.
As you know there is far more to biology than mutations and natural selection as those seeking an extended synthesis have been at pains to demonstrate.

In fact there has been a significant move to produce a kind of agoritm generated virtual evolution. Something Berlinski alluded to.This has created a disconnect from actual organisms and their immensely complex interactions with the environment.

What genetics and studies at the biochemical level have revealed is layers of complexity with regulatory networks for example. So what is emerging is greater complexity at the 'simplest' level.

This makes attempts to come up with pathways to a naturalistic accidental origin of life all the more daunting. As John Lennox put it, science doesn't always close gaps but can widen them and this seems to be the case with origin of life.

I have no antagonism to scientific research and despite my limited grasp of these things find them extremely interesting.

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -machinery



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So how did the author who would have known at the time of writing,that there were different continents and oceans get this right?


Because in their ignorance, the bronze age authors honestly believed there was only a single continent? Or they thought god made more water to bury everything? I'd have to see the source material to see your point I guess.

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Uniformitarianism has been in the ascendancy for a long time now, however catastrophism is making a comeback among mainstream geologists.
This is the crucial difference. Were the sedimentary rock layers laid down very slowly or rapidly or perhaps a combination of both?


You make it sound as if there's a chance the flood happened as described by the bible. Technically, I guess there's a chance. There's also a chance the sun will blow up in the next few seconds. It's a fantasy story.

http://ncse.com/cej/1/1/fatal-flaws-flood-geology

https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/6flood.htm

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_flood


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