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I'm not putting much faith in polls, considering what happened 4 years ago.

Yeah, I'm still kind of traumatized by the surprise. There is some indication that a similar "come from behind" or "come out of nowhere" victory for Trump may be in the offing. In particular, older white males seem to be registering in much greater numbers than people expected, in the Rust Belt areas that gave Trump his upset win in the Electoral College in 2016. But there are also signs pointing the other way, and most important of all, nobody takes a Dem victory for granted, so even people like my brother-in-law (who tends to think Bernie Sanders is too conservative or panders to the moderates) are very clear that they don't want to see the same outcome again. He made the same mistake in 2000, and I think people catch on eventually.

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Fact check Biden's first debate, Harry.
Well, there were certainly distortions and unfair attacks, but by and large he stayed within traditional bounds except with his quiet insults about "Why don't you just shut up?" and "this clown" and "he doesn't know how to do that" about taking turns.

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Also, Biden was the first to interrupt that evening - a total of 3 straight times..
You might be right. I was watching for who interrupted during the other person's time, and I had the distinct impression that Trump did that first, but I could be wrong. I refuse to re-watch it to try to assess that. It seems obvious that Trump did not come prepared to play it straight and then got knocked off his game. His usual round of lies and viciousness seemed pretty thoroughly prepared.

And if Biden did stick the needle in just to throw Trump off, he should be ashamed of himself, but you kind of have to see that in some sense it worked. An awful lot of housewives who try to get their kids to have a semblance of politeness were stuck watching the leader of the free world beat the tar out of all their admonitions. And they are going to stay up at night thinking about someone with his finger on the nuclear button who is completely unable to govern his anger. Would anyone you know want a person with their 10-year-old's temperament ("You did it first!" "Did not!" "Did so!") managing the fate of humanity?
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Trump was rude for the remainder.
You think? But really, it wasn't just the rudeness that got such a reaction of disgust. We all expect rudeness and other boundary violations from our Dear Leader. It was the lack of self-control that was disturbing. And, of course, the inability to condemn white supremacist terrorists. Either he has given some thought to what white supremacists mean for the country, in which case he is thoroughly evil, or he is just unable to see anything except "us and them" and he is thoroughly toxic in his dysfunctionality.


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Ben Shapiro said it best immediately after the debate.
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I don't know who won the debate, all I know is that we all lost.
Yeah, I agree with that. I'm a person in whom argumentativeness runs very strong, and I felt dragged into the mud. I never felt that way with, say, William F. Buckley or George Will.

I have some experience, as I have said before, with narcissistic personality disorder. They will do that to you. A little unfair dig here, a little shouting and blustering there, and pretty soon all you can think about is conflict. It's really horrible. That was one reason I really appreciated Biden's tactic of looking directly at the camera and appealing to the audience of voters. In general he did not do a good job of stepping out of the vortex of nastiness, but at those moments he gave a sense that yes, we can rise above this crap.

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Good luck with your fandom of lesser evils.
LOL. Guilty, I guess. I don't really consider myself a fan. But hey, I was a fan of Bill Clinton for his ability to grasp and explain economic forces, and he turned out to be pretty dysfunctional (in a way that tons of politicians do, probably including Biden). Maybe Biden will turn out to be not much better than the one we have. But that's not how it looks to me now. Biden had no trouble at all, for example, saying "If I lose, that will settle it". He gets democracy. His opponent couldn't say it, and instead asked for his base to lurk at the polls like he lurked in the 2016 debates. With everybody watching, he undermined democracy.



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I'm admittedly disposed to be suspicious of the Trump White House. Glad to say that it has handled well Trump's positive test and transfer to Walter Reed. The 18-second video Trump made before stepping onto Marine One was exactly the right thing to do, reassuring for the public. Politics as usual will be suspended for a while--almost, that is. There really isn't a reason for Nancy Pelosi to say she hopes that his illness will be a turning point towards seriousness about mask-wearing, etc. I hope it is, too, but for now that should not be said. All anyone needs to say is "get well."



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What can we say about the cacophony of contradictions coming about the President's medical condition? I wish him a speedy recovery, though even my cursory acquaintance with covid attacks tells me we can't be confident he will recover at all, much less fully recover. The obvious nemesis following hubris is too overwrought. It's more like, if you play with fire you are likely to get burned.

Trump has only a passing acquaintance with truthfulness, and I don't suppose he has ever experienced its possibilities of offering safety. So he was never going to try sharing the truth for a change. If you have ever seen that sort of manipulation in families (it doesn't have to be narcissism - some people are just controlling to the point of inability to trust others to handle the truth) then you understand that the tangled web of lies doesn't get messier and messier or break all at once, it just drags on and gets more and more disgusting.

I'm not surprised this is finally dragging his poll numbers down. Coming on top of the disgraceful debate performance, and tracking along with continued negative economic news combined with serious warnings about failing to control covid, it would have been astonishing for it to have no significant impact at all. I know some people expected a sympathy bounce like Boris Johnson got, but I fear anyone inclined to interpret this superspreader mess through sympathy was already in the Trump column. Older folks and moms, by contrast, just feel threatened. This fool has done way too much damage to just furrow your brow with concern for him.



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When Trump reported from the hospital, "I get it," some people were inveigled into saying that maybe, just maybe, he would emerge from the experience a "sadder and a wiser man," like the Ancient Mariner. But that would be a poetic or cinematic ending, not the type we get in real life. For him to start talking in real, rather than fantasy terms, would require a personality switch, not just a revision of his view on one issue.

One possible side effect of the strong steroid he's taking is euphoria or mania. With Trump, it's not a big leap from his normal psychology to an abnormal state. I look at an action like canceling any negotiations on a stimulus bill until after his declared reelection and wonder about where such impulsivity, not even benefiting him politically, could come from. One possibility is that he truly thinks that focusing all energy on getting Coney Barrett onto the Court will enable him to challenge fraudulent ballots should he "lose." But then we're moving into the realm of delusion.



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Alas, Trump's belligerent and bellicose nature prove to be his Achilles' heel when it comes to dealing with this pandemic. All the months of playing it down and minimizing its risks—foregoing masks and social distancing—have come to kick him in the rear. With so many of his advisors now in quarantine, and the critical time period for recovery still some days away, he insists he's ready for next week's debate with Joe Biden. The man is delusional. He's a tough cookie for sure, but perhaps this is not a quality that meshes very well with being POTUS.

It's's also very difficult to imagine the timing for getting COVID could be worse, politically speaking. I hear he's not getting much of a sympathy bounce from his sickness, but this of course is his fault too. Arrogance is not conducive to sympathy. Trump seems perfectly willing to expose others to the virus, all just to maintain appearances. WIN at all costs.

Trump certainly cannot be blamed for 200,000 Covid deaths in the U.S. He's a victim of circumstance to some extent. But then his chutzpah and inability to listen to experts or reason, even from his own party, now showcases a spectacular fall from grace and continue to show his shocking unsuitability for this office.

Wow, what a week. And it's only Wednesday.


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You said it. Reminds us of the Greek maxim: your character is your destiny. It's logically inexplicable to me that after he took the active step of the China travel ban, he did so little. That action makes sense, though, in terms of Trump looking only to place blame on others. (The blame was justified, but he stopped way short of leading the country through the crisis.).



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PSfB’s travel ‘ban’ only was directed at those who were foreign nationals who had visited China within the previous 14 days and did not include the most important potentials of covid 19 vectors, which was Americans and permanent residents traveling from Hubei province. These were people who were primarily tourists and businness class travelers who were ‘exited to tell their stories of travels to their loved ones and that’s the geniuses of the spread of covid 19.
PSfB failed to not only recognize the danger but more grotesquely, he lied about the true danger that was to come.

PSfB can, and deserves the finger point of blame for the deaths of 200,010 thousand and counting. It has been the Trump show for better than four years and it has been a disaster through and through. I’m going out on a limb here,but I just cannot agree with some of the parsimonious leeway given to PSfB and the policies laid forth; loading the judiciary with ‘originalist’ (a horribly arcane interpretation) , Placing the obscenely rich in positions of power that when colluded with others of likewise obscene wealth are in a position to overpower not only individual state governments but more so the federal government.

Please think about what I have just proposed, The Federal Government is what stands between the community and an oppressive conglomerate.

Geo: I love you but it’s not just “a week” . You and me we’er close to the same age. This week has been our lifetime. We are living the culmination of catastrophically poor ideas. Bad ideas that start with Ronald Reagan’s ‘City on a Hill” and ended up with Steve Bannon’s ‘Deconstruction of the Administrative State’.

PSfB is no surprise ! We’ve been handed what we may have been asking for and we are shocked (possibly) and maybe even disgusted by what we actually got. I’ve admitted my part in this catastrophe and I can tell you first hand that neither Biden nor Harris have or would admit theirs.

If there is a legitimate criticism of the debates that we have been given, It is just that. It’s the part of ‘politics’ that I hate and I am besides myself trying to fix that.

My all being desire to get rid of PSfB should not be confused with bias, on the contrary, I am skeptical of all politicians no matter their party affiliation but we have an opportunity, a unique confluence of generational desire to complete some social projects that started the ‘New Deal’ and are culminating in some unnamed idea that binds the dyeing Baby Boomers and this newest generation of kids who are called ‘Gen Z’. It is my thinking that there is something available to are time that has not been present since the ‘Great Generation’ was passing the ‘American Century’ to what would be called the WWII generation. Think about it?.

There has to be a proper, or more appropriatela or correct, trans generational / trans special cooperative relationship otherwise these ‘kids’ will do without and for them history will note that we just let them down.

I’m tired, I’m going to chill out and get my mind ready for a new day. :wink:



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PSfB’s travel ‘ban’ only was directed at those who were foreign nationals who had visited China within the previous 14 days and did not include the most important potentials of covid 19 vectors, which was Americans and permanent residents traveling from Hubei province. These were people who were primarily tourists and businness class travelers who were ‘exited to tell their stories of travels to their loved ones and that’s the geniuses of the spread of covid 19.

Travel bans would be just one measure a country might use to combat a disease entering. Trump's had significant holes, but my point is that he put it into effect even before Fauci said we had a serious problem. So it might have been expected that Trump was just getting started. What happened? It would seem at first glance like an opportunity to show strong leadership, one that could help him win an election. Was it his fear that responding with restrictions would damage the economy that he saw as his great achievement, that held him back? Or was it that Trump projected his own fear of appearing weak and vulnerable onto the entire country? He was an early convert to Norman Vincent Peale's power of positive thinking. I'm inclined to think that the work of fighting the virus just wasn't up his alley. The work required close cooperation with many other people from both parties and implied the sharing of credit--something Trump hates to do. Detail work requiring patience and incremental progress doesn't allow the grand gestures Trump craves. The whole task probably bored him.



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I think that part of PSfB’s early travel restrictions was more an attempt at ‘throwing shade’ towards the Chinese government than any actual understanding of the potential dangers that faced the U.S.

I have a hard time thinking that there is truth to the idea that PSfB had a better understanding of the threat that C 19 posed than Fauci but I doubt it. I think that both the White House and the CDC as represented by PSfB and Fauci respectively underestimated the threat. PSfB’s underestimation was to my hindsight opinion, political. Fauci’s underestimation was to, again, my hindsight opinion, due to a factual vacuum. They simply underestimated the threat. The CDC is not an enforcement agency, they can only create guidelines which they did recommend as their understanding of the threat grew. Meanwhile PSfB represented C 19 as a minor concern that would just go away.

I think that PSfB does get bored easily, especially when he is the focus of bad press. I get it, placing such pressure on a single mind, particularly a mind as warped as PSfB’s can create an interesting dilemma for a public that functions best when life is mostly a matter of routine. Covid 19 is not a routine virus, in fact it is something new and therefore cannot be compared with past outbreaks. Unfortunately for Fauci, at the time PSfB instituted his meager travel restrictions Fauci considered C19 to be containable in the sense that they were able to contain SARS, Ebola, MERS just to name the viruses that are comparative, relative to a January 2020 understanding of coronavirus.

One of the most important things to consider, when considering economics is diversification. The shutdown of the social portion, the service sector portion of the U.S. economy should be taken as more of a ‘canary in a coal mine’ analogy of the down side of the USA’s dependence on the service sector as being the primary source of GDP. So it stands to reason that PSfB was early on sweating bullets, and now with his personal diagnosis of Covid 19 infection he is also sucking wind.



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His Messiahship has been giving out favors for donations. Not a big surprise, I suppose, but it gives us good reason to be disgusted by his continued business operation while in office. The New York Times had an expose out at the end of last week, showing incredible amounts of favors for money.

The big surprise is that people don't always get their favors. He loses track, things don't materialize, you know how it is. Perhaps the biggest gift was about $11 million from a casino magnate (not Sheldon Adelson) who is a partner with Trump and just paid him a bunch of money. He may be in tax trouble over it, and he is almost certainly in violation of the law on campaign contributions since it was clearly given in response to his running out of money in 2016. But his buddy was hoping for Federal funding of a high-speed train from L.A. to Vegas, which never materialized.

Nobody really wants to think about all the people who have staged events at Mar-a-Lago or one of his other venues, in hopes of making contacts or getting favors done, but the Times compiled a long list. My favorite story, though, is from a Fortune Magazine writer, interviewed on Fresh Air if I remember right, who was trying to check out Trump's income from the Towers and found that an entire floor, worth hundreds of thousands per year, was being rented by a front for one of the Persian Gulf States, and was absolutely empty. Peering in through glass walls, he saw dead flowers from many months before, but no other sign of people.

But hey, corrupt is fine with the Right, because conservatives on the courts.



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My Bible Study group last night read Psalm 73, a remarkably modern plea about the difficulty of maintaining faith in God in view of the prosperity of the wicked.

The hypocrisy of Trumpian Christians is put in stark relief by this psalm, which castigates the wicked for their malicious and arrogant oppression and iniquity: "Behold, these are the wicked— always carefree as they increase their wealth."

A focus on abortion as a Christian policy priority is like what Jesus called 'straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel'.

Psalm 73 concludes that hypocrisy is a betrayal of the future, whereas the purpose of authentic faith is to construct a stronghold that can be sustained for ever. So the Trumpians are on a path of doom:
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I discerned their end. Surely You set them on slick ground; You cast them down into ruin. How suddenly they are laid waste, completely swept away by terrors! Like one waking from a dream, so You, O Lord, awaken and despise their form.


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I volunteer at our local food pantry. Today, the Farmers for Families Food Boxes arrived. You may have heard of these a few weeks ago when it was announced that each box would contain a letter signed by President Trump. The letter ballyhoos Trump's deep concern for the welfare of citizens. I found ironic the guidance on avoiding the coronavirus--this from someone who tells us not to worry and who sets the worst example possible.

We needed to open the boxes, since we couldn't distribute them right away, and they contained some food that needed to be refrigerated. We don't have large enough coolers to store 100 boxes. When I opened the first box and saw the letter on top, I didn't see immediately that the letter was also printed on the right and left flaps of the box itself (in English and Spanish). This was apparently to thwart volunteers who might want to break open the boxes and trash the leader's letter.

The CEO of our parent food bank didn't appreciate what he or she saw, presumably, as Trump using taxpayer resources to give himself a political boost three weeks before the election. We were directed to throw away the letters and cut the flaps off each box. I did this willingly, but a couple of the other volunteers complained that the CEO was "being political."



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Umair Haque is an incisive commentator on Trump, writing at https://medium.com/@umairh

Here is an interesting piece from last month that provides an important analysis.

Umair Haque wrote:
How Donald Trump Brought Mass Death to America
Do Americans Really Get How Catastrophically Trump Failed Them on Covid?
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Sep 21 · 8 min read
A chart of projected Covid Deaths in America: a predicted 378,000 dead by January 1, 2021
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It almost seems like a lifetime ago, given the untimely and tragic passing of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. And yet, as the U.S. approaches the grim milestone of 200,000 Covid deaths, it must be understood and carefully considered just how badly Donald Trump’s White House failed on Covid.
The story that’s emerging isn’t one of incompetence, bumbling ineptitude, but something far worse. Malign indifference. Simply letting hundreds of thousands die.
Americans appear paralysed, literally in shock, by what’s happened to their country. Which is understandable. But they are going to need to recover their wits if they want to save their democracy. And to do that, they are going to have to come face to face with what authoritarianism really is: an indifference to any kind of civilised values of dignity, care, concern, humanity. That is what they risk becoming in their paralysis. And that kind of monstrosity is exemplified best, perhaps, by the of Trump and Covid.
The story that we know now begins like this. While Covid was making its way to America’s shores, it had ample time to prepare. It was one of the last countries to be hit by Covid. And during those critical months and weeks, nothing — let me repeat — nothing was done.
But nothing was not done for a reason: the Trump Administration. It recently emerged that the Postal Service had a plan to send facemasks to every American. That is precisely the kind of thing that would and should have happened in a sane and rational country. And it was the Trump Administration that stopped this plan dead in its tracks.
It’s impossible to overstate what a difference that made. “We’ll never know the impact” is dead wrong. It’s quite easy to calculate the impact of such a thing. In nations that put such policies in place — attacking Covid early and hard, by making people wear masks, the death toll was one to two orders of magnitude less than it was in America.
Remember, pandemics spread exponentially. That is why if you nip them in the bud, before exponential growth accelerates — that is your best chance of stopping them. It is why some nations have been spectacularly successful — South Korea, Vietnam, New Zealand — and some, like America, have had the world’s worst outcomes.
So. Let me sum that up. There was actually a plan to do something about Covid — a plan that could have made a crucial difference. But Donald Trump deep-sixed it. It is no overstatement to say that he is responsible for mass death, not in an abstract way, but in a direct one. His choice resulted in the exponential growth of a lethal pandemic.
Now, the Post Office’s plan was to send five reusable facemasks to Americans. Doesn’t sound like a lot. But it could have been built on, as emergent plans in emergencies often are. America could have found itself in a situation like this: the Postal Service sent Americans facemasks every week, and the government mandating wearing them, in any public place.
That alone, epidemiologists suggest, would have massively reduced the incidence of Covid. Dropping deaths, probably, from the 200,000 they’re at to half that — and that’s in a conservative scenario.
But that would have taken a President who was sane, rational, and most all, not a moral black hole. Unfortunately for Americans, they were about to find out what human monstrosity means, the hard way.
The next chapter in the emerging story goes like this. Publicly, Trump minimised Covid’s impact. He denied it was a problem, pretended it wouldn’t be a big deal, and then, finally, told people to drink bleach and inject Lysol. But privately, Trump knew something very, very different. He said — literally — “This is deadly stuff.” How deadly? He called it a “great and powerful plague.” And he didn’t just know how lethal it was. He knew how viral it was, too. He noted that it’s “so easily transmissible, you wouldn’t even believe it.”
In other words, Trump knew. All that’s on tape, by the way, thanks to Bob Woodward.
And now we come to a part of the story that’s hard to tell, at least to Americans. Americans have no real experience with their leaders telling them Big Lies that result in their own deaths. They have experience in just the opposite: their leaders telling them Big Lies that result in the deaths of poor, dirty brown people, somewhere across a globe they’ve never visited and don’t know. Think of Bush and Iraq having WMDs, or the whole idea of the Cold War, that communism was some kind of global threat, so America needed to install dictators everywhere from Latin America to Africa. Those were all Big Lies. But Americans — at least many of them — still believe them.
And so they find it almost impossible to process the scale and impact of Trump’s Biggest Lie so far: that Covid wasn’t a big deal. That is why you barely see anything written on this subject now, apart from a brief initial burst of outrage. That is a sociocultural sign that Americans are simply not processing, understanding, taking in what really happened.
What really happened was simple, but so horrific that it’s almost impossible to believe. Trump knew in great detail just how deadly Covid was. And he told Americans precisely the opposite story. And then he acted to put in place policies that reflected his lie, like stopping facemasks being distributed, not mandating wearing them, refusing to wear one himself.
To this day, America has no Covid policy or strategy. That is why the death toll is simply skyrocketing every single day, reaching astonishing numbers. It took just 10 days for America to go from 190,000 deaths to 200,000 — deaths have stabilised at about 1,000 per day. 1,000 people a day are needlessly dying from coronavirus in America. Really think about how many people that is.
So what we know now is that there wasn’t a national-level strategy for Coronavirus for a reason: not because Trump was incompetent, stupid, misinformed, or foolish. But for a reason that almost impossible to fully process, even if you say you believe it. Because Trump knew — but didn’t care. Care enough to take the slightest action to save hundreds of thousands of lives. In fact, he went above and beyond not caring. He went in the other direction, which was to try and cover up his inaction with lies.
What the? Like I said, that’s almost impossible to process. Because it is human monstrosity on the lowest level possible. Your garden variety thief? Even your average…serial killer? They’re nothing compared to this moral vacuum. Really. They might hurt or kill a few people. But hundreds of thousands? Left to die?
That’s an act so profoundly incredible that we don’t have a word to even describe it. Negligence — the failure to care properly for something — is the only one there is, but that falls so far short it might as well barely exist at all. Negligence is something you charge a house builder or doctor with, maybe. But a head of state?
And yet that’s precisely the magnitude of this failure. A head of state has at least this responsibility: not to simply shrug and walk away from catastrophe. Then there’s this one: not to grin and lie about catastrophe. My friend, that is the lowest of all possible bars. When a head of state can get away with such things, then a bitter truth must be understood. You are not really living in a democracy anymore. In a democracy, a leader that fails at this most set of responsibilities — and remains in office — is above…everything. The moral law, basic accountability, the fundamental ideas of equality and truth and decency.
The only kinds of societies in which such awful failings are tolerated are authoritarian states, really. And in that sense, America is a pre-authoritarian state. Americans seem to have shrugged and given up on all this. They don’t seem to understand — or even care to understand — the unbelievable scale and depth of Trump’s failure on Covid.
The reasons for that are both complex and straightforward. America is still a racist and classist country, and Covid hit the poor and minorities hardest. America is also the home of the Darwinian logic of self-reliance — the strong should survive, and the weak perish, and so Americans have had a cultural tendency not to care about Covid the way that nearly every other country on earth has.
Still, whatever the reasons, to the rest of the world, the final chapter of the story looks like this. And then he gets away with it. Chapter one, Trump knows — but he lies — about how deadly Covid is. Chapter two, he deep-sixes any attempt to contain the pandemic, and thwarts any possibility of a national strategy. Chapter three, he gets away with it.
In any other developed nation, by now, a leader would have been held accountable for such crass negligence. The streets in the capital would be one giant protest, for months on end, until the leader stepped down. (Yes, some Americans are protesting. And I applaud them. But it isn’t close enough yet to a mass movement, with the stamina to challenge Trump.) But when faced with this improbable and horrific fact — Trump lied, and 200,000 died — Americans seem to be paralyzed. Resigned.
Plenty of leaders have gotten away with terrible things. Stalin, Mao, Saddam — the list is endless. But thanks to its misplaced feeling of exceptionalism, Americans think of themselves as above such nations. They look down their noses at such countries. But the truth is they have become one. A place where an authoritarian’s negligence results in mass death — and terrorized, traumatized, timid, fearful people cannot hold him accountable for it, and so he simply gets away with it. Just like Russians, Chinese, Iraqis, Americans cannot really fully process the scale of the horror — a kind of denial and wilful ignorance kicks in, even among the good people. They become a silent majority this way — because who can really sit down and think the thought: “hundred of thousands of people died just because of one man’s maliciousness?” It’s too terrible to bear.
And yet it must be borne, if a nation is to rouse itself from the slumber of apathy. In this way, Americans have become arrogant people. They think they could never become a place where mass death happened, just because an authoritarian led them to it — that only happened in those other dirty, poor countries. But unfortunately, they are now a country like that. Two hundred thousand Americans are dead. A thousand die a day. That’s another hundred thousand by the end of the year. All because — we now know — of Donald Trump’s malicious indifference. No ground should be given on this score. Democracy dies with the tolerance and silent acceptance of abuses of power this grave, this vast, this unbelievable.
I don’t know how to wake Americans up from their paralysis. But I hope they do wake up, en masse. Because until then, they’re going to keep living this nightmare.
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Travel bans would be just one measure a country might use to combat a disease entering. Trump's had significant holes, but my point is that he put it into effect even before Fauci said we had a serious problem. So it might have been expected that Trump was just getting started. What happened? It would seem at first glance like an opportunity to show strong leadership, one that could help him win an election. Was it his fear that responding with restrictions would damage the economy that he saw as his great achievement, that held him back? Or was it that Trump projected his own fear of appearing weak and vulnerable onto the entire country? He was an early convert to Norman Vincent Peale's power of positive thinking. I'm inclined to think that the work of fighting the virus just wasn't up his alley. The work required close cooperation with many other people from both parties and implied the sharing of credit--something Trump hates to do. Detail work requiring patience and incremental progress doesn't allow the grand gestures Trump craves. The whole task probably bored him.


I think it was this and more. Showing concern, taking precautions against possible infections, leading by example in terms wearing a mask in public and such, grinds against Trump's doctrine of toxic masculinity. Real men don't wear masks and caution people to protect themselves and show concern about not transmitting disease to others--no, that just runs counter to Trump's idea that a real man does not act like such a pantywaisted, little simp. He's not here to be our little den mother, damn it! Suck it up!

When Trump contracted the disease himself, he used it to show how strong and tough he is. "Look at me! I had the virus and yet here I am as fit as ever and ready to get back to work after three days!! Nobody else has ever been able to do that! Doctors were amazed!" There is a true account that he actually was going to go before the cameras wearing a Superman shirt which someone managed to stop it. And never a word about those who have died and who are preparing to die. He's made covid all about him. It's HIS personal struggle and he's conquered it!!! Never mind that he's made half the White House sick. If any of them die, don't expect Donald Trump to care. They weren't strong like him!!! Never mind that he has round-the-clock medical care and every medicine--no matter how rare or expensive--will be supplied to him to keep him alive at all costs. What matters is that having covid and surviving it proves he is of superior genetic stock. He's the Trump-N-ator!! Meanwhile Joe Biden is everything about masculinity that Trump hates: he wears a mask, he shows concern, he strives to heal the nation like some fucking faggot in nurse's drag. He's weak. He is not a man.

Again, this was something Mary Trump warned us about concerning Trump's character. When he watched his father mercilessly berate his older brother into an early grave, he learned never to let your true feelings show. A real man has no feelings. A real man does what must be done and never lets sentimentality cloud his judgment. So, Trump joined his father is tearing his brother down. He learned the power of taunting, baiting, jeering, taking pleasure in others' misfortunes and not caring what happens to anyone else. It all proves his own genetic superiority.



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I think it was this and more. Showing concern, taking precautions against possible infections, leading by example in terms wearing a mask in public and such, grinds against Trump's doctrine of toxic masculinity. Real men don't wear masks and caution people to protect themselves and show concern about not transmitting disease to others--no, that just runs counter to Trump's idea that a real man does not act like such a pantywaisted, little simp. He's not here to be our little den mother, damn it! Suck it up!

The germ-phobic president who flouts simple means of preventing virus spread; the president who acknowledged to Bob Woodward that coronavirus was a major threat, yet at many junctures afterwards told Americans that it was not--this makes no sense at all. It might be you're right, that the ethos he inherited from Fred Sr.--to be a "killer" in every situation, no matter the evidence stacked up against him--is really the only way Trump knows how to conduct himself. An inflexible pattern of behavior is what characterizes personality disorder, and that's what we have before us in Donald Trump.
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When Trump contracted the disease himself, he used it to show how strong and tough he is. "Look at me! I had the virus and yet here I am as fit as ever and ready to g0 back to work after three days!! Nobody else has ever been able to do that! Doctors were amazed!" There is a true account that he actually was going to go before the cameras wearing a Superman shirt which someone managed to stop it. And never a word about those who have died and who are preparing to die. He's made covid all about him. It's HIS personal struggle and he's conquered it!!! Never mind that he's made half the White House sick. If any of them die, don't expect Donald Trump to care. They weren't strong like him!!! Never mind that he has round-the-clock medical care and every medicine--no matter how rare or expensive--will be supplied to him to keep him alive at all costs. What matters is that having covid and surviving it proves he is of superior genetic stock. He's the Trump-N-ator!! Meanwhile Joe Biden is everything about masculinity that Trump hates: he wears a mask, he shows concern, he strives to heal the nation like some fucking faggot in nurse's drag. He's weak. He is not a man.

Remember "I get it now"?, which were among Trump's first words from Walter Reed? Some folks, mistakenly assuming a normal psychology in Trump, thought he had reflected on his past actions and would emerge from his illness with a new appreciation of the care he needed to show toward the country suffering so badly from covid. But before long it was, "Don't let the virus dominate your life," with the clear message what he had done (with super-elite medical care, as you say), all could do.
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Again, this was something Mary Trump warned us about concerning Trump's character. When he watched his father mercilessly berate his older brother into an early grave, he learned never to let your true feelings show. A real man has no feelings. A real man does what must be done and never lets sentimentality cloud his judgment. So, Trump joined his father is tearing his brother down. He learned the power of taunting, baiting, jeering, taking pleasure in others' misfortunes and not caring what happens to anyone else. It all proves his own genetic superiority.

His father appears to have given him a good base in sociopathic business practices. It was Roy Cohn who schooled Trump in the specific tactics he would need to win in the high-stakes world of Manhattan real estate. Anyway, both did their jobs well.



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