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This is for posting information, and opinions, etc about our Fearless Leader and all the things he represents. Feel free to wax literary, and I know KindaSkolarly has started a bunch already, but I started this to put up a link to the latest Edsall column in the New York Times. It tells about the Wonderland being prepared for true believers who want to increase their status as MAGA-makers. The whole point being that very few people posting here would have ever even heard of this key strategem.

The internet is a dark place. If we want to know what is happening there, things that may deeply affect our lives, then we should tell about what we learn.



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"Trump is Staking out his Own Universe of 'Alternative Facts' "

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/opin ... paign.html

If you help out, you can get points! Edsall cites some research about the role played by anger in motivating people to want this sort of thing. But the campaign knows enough to keep this hush-hush, to avoid creating anger on the other side.

It capitalizes on quasi-religious devotion.
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In less than a year, from May 2019 to March 2020, the share of weekly church-attending white Protestants convinced that Donald Trump was anointed by God to be president grew from 29.6 percent to 49.5 percent.


Echo chambers no longer just happen. The campaign is now creating the best echo chamber money can buy, complete with gamification so owning the Libs can be fun.

In case you have not heard, "Messiah" means "Anointed one". So Trump is the new Messiah. How about that? Any question why Red State senators were reluctant to vote for evidence, let alone conviction?



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NYT is also biased.. sometimes to a vulgar degree.

I wish you'd find a more neutral OPED source



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NYT is also biased.. sometimes to a vulgar degree.

I wish you'd find a more neutral OPED source
I defy you to find a source that cannot be accused of bias. The New York Times has the distinction, getting rarer every day, that they check their facts. They don't always check factual claims in Op/Ed pieces, but they do provide some responsibility such as not printing it if they know it to be false or indefensible. Would that the same could be said for the television media.



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Bright's testimony shows the same things about the Covid response that we have known all along about this administration. It only cares about political posturing, it prefers unlikely supposition to unpleasant facts, and it does not hesitate to screw up anything important for the sake of these bizarre priorities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/opin ... agate.html

While Dear Leader Twitters on his fiddle, playing the anxious Right like one, health care workers have to go without proper supplies, conspiracy theories are promoted, and -- I had trouble believing even this administration would be so stupid -- "dozens of federal scientists working on the coronavirus were distracted by an order to put all other work aside to focus on chloroquine" during the obsession by Trump and Fox News with this supposed source of deliverance. Look into it, sure. Examine the evidence we had and round up some academics to do tests. But "put all other work aside"? O. M. G.

The coordinating body meant to prepare for epidemics (we have had two to four significant ones just in the last 20 years, depending on who is counting) was dismantled in 2017, because, you know, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is the scariest thing anybody can say. Just ask the patients in New York City.

The death count projection is back way above 100,000, but never fear, this administration will uncover the nefarious Obamagate plot, by which the government somehow sought to overturn the election without telling people before the vote that Trump was up to his neck in liars, Russian poodles and dirty money. Go to work on that and do some creative writing, and you can soon conclude that, yes, the Deep State was trying to undermine the popular will because, you know, bureaucrats spend all their time cooking up ways to make Communist China look good. Virus? What virus?



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Well, Trump has fired another Inspector General. Steve Linick at the State Department has been slated to be replaced in a month by a loyalist, because anyone independent is part of the Deep State of resistance to, well, coverups.

It seems Linick turned over information about contacts between Giuliani and Ukrainian prosecutors to congressional investigators, which is obviously an interference with a coverup (even though the New York Times refers to the material as "largely inconsequential.") Furthermore, Linick has twice questioned the decisions of political appointees at State, for retaliating against or harassing career civil servants. In other words, he was replaced for doing his job.

We can't have that.



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And in related comedy, err, um, political strategizing, Trump has repeatedly falsely accused a prominent television host of murder on Twitter, reminded us that wind power "kills all the birds" and, inexplicably, seems to be getting a reputation with voters for not providing steady leadership during the covid crisis.

His political machine tried 20 lines of attack against Biden and found none of them gaining traction.

Obviously the Deep State and their cronies in the MSM have been sabotaging his efforts to get the truth out. It must be them, because Trump is God's Anointed. Drink bleach, you godless commies.



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Post Re: Trump Watch
This is a needed thread, as the Trump reelection machine goes into high gear. Watch for claims of covid19 over counts as the death toll reaches the level Trump said would be its limit. What amazes me perhaps the most is that Trump's supporters, who would have nothing good to say about claims of victim hood based on skin color or ethnicity, are all in when Trump bellows about his victimization by the press, Democrats, Never Trumpers, and anyone who might think the co-equal branch of government should watch over the Executive. But desperation such as Trump is displaying with the laughable Obamagate conspiracy charge, rarely helps anyone's cause, and that gives me hope.

Did you know that Trump has been treated much worse than Lincoln was? It's true. Check out this Dana Milbank column for the proof.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ays-as-if/



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Post Re: Trump Watch
6 Biden Lies about COVID19 response.

Please note my unbiased source

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... ponse.html



Let's support one liar over the other because our liar is less likely to tell lies even though he has lied before.



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Post Re: Trump Watch
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Well, Trump has fired another Inspector General. Steve Linick at the State Department has been slated to be replaced in a month by a loyalist, because anyone independent is part of the Deep State of resistance to, well, coverups..

How can we stand by and watch this happen? It's frankly unbelievable. And still the narrative on the right is that we are losing freedoms because we have to wear a mask as protection against a novel coronavirus.


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Biden:

Our Administration..,"didn't lock people up in cages"

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But for Biden to say that Obama’s administration did not put people in cages is inaccurate. Obama and Biden in 2014 saw an influx of children arriving at the border without a parent or guardian, and reporting from 2014 by the Arizona Republic referred to a chain-link enclosure holding children as "cages." A former Homeland Security secretary under the Obama administration in interviews has acknowledged that some have described as "cages" the enclosures used during Obama’s tenure.


False.

Liberal rationale:
yes, but Obama's chain-link "enclosures" were not really cages because the policies at the time were different, even though there are photos of immigrant children behind chain-link "barriers" during the Obama admin.


Did the Obama/Biden admin build Trump's "cages"

Fact check: True

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama ... mmigrants/



Liberal rationale:
Yes, but those were built as 'barriers " to protect undocumented families and children from separating themselves while being detained by humanitarian assistants.


Detention centers were atrocious under Obama but worse under Trump

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... obama.html


Liberal rationale: Yes, they might have been atrocious under Obama but they are worse than atrocious under Trump.. Therefore, the detention centers under Trump are more evil and deplorable



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The factor about the USA that most perturbs me, typified by Trump, is the gross failure to worry about a coherent policy on national security.

The biggest threats to human security today are climate, jobs and health, which pose clear and present danger. Yet the USA under Trump largely ignores or distorts those major threats, and instead wastes inconceivably vast resources on an obsolete military system that itself probably creates more net harm than help to national and global security.

This scale of delusion is supported by the massive appetite for mythological fantasy in US popular culture, ranging from mad religion to Hollywood movies.

If you believe bullshit you are far more likely to be blindsided by events.


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If you believe bullshit you are far more likely to be blindsided by events.


Believing absurd things is as much a marker as an influence. I think people who put all their chips on motivated reasoning are often outside of the social and economic circles in which there is a sense of influence on our common destiny. They are often shut out of the debates over policy, and are often too busy with work to be able to experience collective deliberation about sensible choices.

Expressive politics, in which people vote a certain way to express who they think they are, has moved from the shadows into a dominant position. Not that it was ever absent, but now people with the education and affluence to understand their own interests are still subscribing to other people's narratives rather than do the hard thinking to get what is going on. It doesn't help that culture caters to people's preference for escape over engagement.

In "Dark Money" Jane Meyer chronicles the transition of the billionaires from thinking they could just point out their beliefs and have a democracy agree with them, as they thought in the age of the John Birch Society, to recognizing that they had to act with stealth and disguise their motivations and goals. They are no less convinced of their own rightness, and no less determined to get their way (how else would someone become a billionaire?), but they have had to accept that the average person does not care whether they can oppress workers and accumulate monopoly power without government restraint. So they settle for dog whistle division and exploiting the fault lines in society, and now, intentionally muddying the waters of science.

The book "Strangers in their Own Land" by Arlie Hochschild takes the question further by asking why ordinary citizens of Louisiana continue to back the Tea Party, anti-government position even when local authorities are aiding and abetting corporations in ruining their lives with environmental destruction. Many of them are all in on religion, feeling that it keeps them from disintegrating emotionally and signals their commitment to clean living. Do they doubt the environmental facts due to their religious beliefs? No. They are so worried about jobs that they feel that some will just end up suffering so that others can have nice homes and drive nice cars. The pressure of economic desperation, of a felt need to escape the poverty of ordinary life without corporate industry, leads them to accept terrible corporate abuse and politics that reinforces it. Beliefs anchored in ignorance are a marker for their desperation, rather than a cause of irrationality.



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I defy you to find a source that cannot be accused of bias.

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/


I rest my case.



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And in today's news, we find that the Linick firing was because he called out Pompeo for using government resources to indulge his family and get errands run. Two Trump officials have already been ousted for that, but Pompeo evidently prefers the cover-up approach.

We also learned that Donald, Jr has tweeted the insinuation that Biden is a pedophile. Straight out of Mississippi politics. If you can't argue the facts and you can't argue the law, you can still give motivated reasoners an excuse to claim they are on the side of good.



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