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Four major automakers said on Thursday they have reached an agreement with California on fuel efficiency rules, bypassing a Trump administration effort to strip the state of the right to fight climate change by setting its own standards.
Isn't that a wonderful development? States' rights, and all that? The Federalist Society will probably file an amicus brief on California's behalf.
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.Environmental Protection Agency spokesman Michael Abboud called the agreement “a PR stunt that does nothing to ... provide certainty and relief for American consumers.”.
Well, surely a member of the current administration knows a thing or two about stunts and PR, but this is empty rhetoric. The last thing Dear Leader wants is a court hearing about climate change. You can order bureaucrats around, but courts deal in fact.



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In my opinion, Pelosi is a political genius. The situation might change after Mueller, testifies but right now impeachment can't hurt him. The Senate would never go for it. The members of Trump's cult of personality would rally round him. This is a bass ackwards Presidency. Every time Trump does something appalling his numbers go up.


Whether or not Pelosi is a political genius is beside the point. She's wrong. We could at least get an impeachment inquiry started. That would be no skin off their noses.

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Pelosi knows Trump can lose the popular vote by a greater margin than he did in 2016 and still win in 2020. It's all about electoral votes in the swing states, and a sure-to-fail attempted impeachment would only spur the Trumpettes in those states to vote.


That's the moderate view but it's wrong--as usual. The electoral college is not going to be a factor because turn-out on the left will be high if the mid-terms are any indication. They could impeach Trump for failing to uphold the constitution which is the very basis of his presidential oath. We have numerous examples of that. He could be impeached for accusing Barack Obama of bugging Trump Tower which he claimed he had evidence for but then failed to produce any. He should not be allowed to get away with that--that was a serious accusation. Let the Senate try and shoot that down. If they dismiss it, they have explain why Trump made the accusation, claimed to have evidence, asked for more time to prepare his case but never went forward with it. The public would want to know WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE??? What is the Senate going to say? Trump doesn't remember where he put it? Sure they can just dismiss it but then it looks like exactly what it is: they are covering for him and letting him get away with serious, baseless accusations unfit for a president to be engaging in and in so doing they are showing how unfit they are to sit in the Senate defending this crap. That would spur far more democrats, liberals and leftists to vote than Trump supporters (who, by themselves, don't have enough enough numbers to carry Trump).

Trump has used his office to promote white supremacy. Most Americans do believe Trump is a racist. So let the Senate shoot that down--I expect it and I welcome it. They'll be shooting themselves down in the process. That won't exonerate Trump in the eyes of the public--quite the opposite. It also indicts the Senate.

They could impeach Trump for his treatment of families at the border. I'm sure no explanation is needed for that one. There are quite a number of things they could impeach for that would force the Senate into a bad position whether they vote with the House or against it. The progressives have it right, the neo-liberals (the moderates) do not.



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That's the moderate view but it's wrong--as usual. The electoral college is not going to be a factor because turn-out on the left will be high if the mid-terms are any indication. They could impeach Trump for failing to uphold the constitution which is the very basis of his presidential oath. We have numerous examples of that. He could be impeached for accusing Barack Obama of bugging Trump Tower which he claimed he had evidence for but then failed to produce any. He should not be allowed to get away with that--that was a serious accusation. Let the Senate try and shoot that down. If they dismiss it, they have explain why Trump made the accusation, claimed to have evidence, asked for more time to prepare his case but never went forward with it. The public would want to know WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE??? What is the Senate going to say? Trump doesn't remember where he put it? Sure they can just dismiss it but then it looks like exactly what it is: they are covering for him and letting him get away with serious, baseless accusations unfit for a president to be engaging in and in so doing they are showing how unfit they are to sit in the Senate defending this crap. That would spur far more democrats, liberals and leftists to vote than Trump supporters (who, by themselves, don't have enough enough numbers to carry Trump).


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Trump has used his office to promote white supremacy. Most Americans do believe Trump is a racist. So let the Senate shoot that down--I expect it and I welcome it. They'll be shooting themselves down in the process. That won't exonerate Trump in the eyes of the public--quite the opposite. It also indicts the Senate.


DB Roy wrote:
They could impeach Trump for his treatment of families at the border. I'm sure no explanation is needed for that one. There are quite a number of things they could impeach for that would force the Senate into a bad position whether they vote with the House or against it. The progressives have it right, the neo-liberals (the moderates) do not.


This is the best argument for impeachment that I have read. Well done DB Roy. The way that you have presented impeachment here would put the scrutiny and responsibility on the Senate Republicans. Watching the GOP squirm in their pants every time the cameras are present would be precious.



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