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Did Trump really do all this good stuff?

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One of my conservative friends posted the below info on their Facebook page. I'd love to hear some opinions on this stuff. The thing is I actually believe most of Trump's policies were pretty sound. It was HIM that I had a problem with. He lied, insulted, hurt, fired, embarrassed our nation, destroyed careers, and fueled an insurrection. But I agreed with quite a bit of his efforts. What do you think of this list?

President Trump 🇺🇸 goes down in history as who:
- Puso to live in China.
- He put Russia on the line.
- He put North Korea on a roll.
- He put Iran on the line.
- removed the Islamic State.
- He eliminated Soleimanni.
- Dropped drug prices like never seen in the US. U.S.
- Best economy in last 50 years.
- In 4 years USA. U.S. became the world's largest oil seller and producer.
- To the life.
- Pro religious freedom.
- Pro Israel.
- He recognized Jerusalem as the eternal capital of Israel.
- He didn't conduct a single war in his 4 years in office unlike Obama who conducted 7+ wars that left the US incredibly in debt and affected taxpayers.
- He donated his salary as President during his 4 years to state institutions.
- Anti socialism and communism.
- He imposed sanctions on Cuba and left the government in a balance.
- He imposed sanctions on Nicolas Maduro.
- Removed economic support from Planned Parenthood the world's largest abortionist.
- Unmasked the UN hypocrisy.
- Unmasked the WHO.
- He reached several Peace Agreements between Israel and several Middle Eastern countries.
- And the list goes on..
All of America thanks you for these years when your administration helped tremendously to stop this evil agenda.
God bless you 🙏🙏🙏... 🙏🙏🙏 for 💯 ever Donald Trump... 😶
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Most of these talking points are too vague to be very meaningful. Others sound like Trump bites that simply don't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. For example, Trump's claim to have defeated Isis (removed the Islamic state) has been fact-checked. In short it's not true, although it can be argued that progress was made under his watch. The reality is usually far more complex (and less promising) than can be summed up in such simplistic statements. And by the way, what does "Puso to live in China" mean? He put North Korea "on a roll"? What does that mean? Or put Russia on the line? Or imposed sanctions on Cuba and left the "government in a balance"?

:clap2: :clap2:

One of Trump's major shortcomings in my opinion is that he doesn't possess very good language skills. As such his clarity of thought—or lack thereof—is sometimes pretty glaring. The writer of this post seems to suffer from a similar lack of clarity of thought. For example, Obama started seven wars? Or did he launch missile attacks in seven countries? There's a difference there. How many missile attacks were launched during Trump's administration? I don't know the answer to that, but neither does the perrson who posted this list.

Trump does possess good intuitions in some respects. For example, I do think the U.S. needs to address illegal immigration and to improve our borders. Why can't both parties get on board with this? (Trump's wall of course is a rather simplistic solution.)

I like where it says "and the list goes on" at the end of this Facebook post. Because if you fact check some of the points on this list (as I just did) you will find that almost none of the claims show more than a farthing of validity. On the other hand, I'm sure a legitimate argument can be made that Trump did some things right. I'm usually not feeling charitable enough to admit this, especially in light of Trump's dangerous and oh-so-damaging lie about a "stolen election" that should be his legacy and show how dangerously unfit he is for public office.
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He put North Korea on a roll.
C'mon Chris, that list is embarrassing. As Geo said, the statement above is literally nonsense. Have you already forgotten that Trump said "We fell in love?" Perhaps that means Trump put Kim Jong Un on a crescent roll and...did what? :roll: Were the tensions on the Korean peninsula reduced by one microgram?
He put Russia on the line.
He put Iran on the line.
WTF does "on the line" mean? Is conservative foreign policy now a Glen Campbell song? Have you already forgotten Trump pulled out of the JCPOA? Didn't you notice Trump called Putin a => genius <= for moving into Eastern Ukraine?
To the life.
Is that a sentence or a Russian vodka toast?
Puso to live in China.
As Geo asked, is that a sentence or a Russian vodka toast? Who is Puso?

Notably absent from the list:
There is no garbled Russian vodka toast about Trump's response to Covid-19.
There is no garbled Mexican tequila toast about the pesos that financed the noncompletion of the border wall.
There is no garbled bourbon toast about losing the House, the Senate, the White House, and 60 post-election lawsuits.

WTF....I get even more depressed about the ability of Americans to process information accurately when a prominent skeptic like Chris posts such a list...
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The list was copied and pasted. I'm aware of how poorly each bullet point is worded. I'm just wondering if you guys see any validity in the general claims being made in this viral list of Trump's accomplishments.
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LanDroid wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:38 am
He put North Korea on a roll.
C'mon Chris, that list is embarrassing.
I believe Chris was just trying to get some dialogue going. It's some low-hanging fruit to be sure. I wonder who actually wrote this list. Quite possibly it was a Russian troll. :shock:
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(Trump) didn't conduct a single war in his 4 years in office unlike Obama who conducted 7+ wars that left the US incredibly in debt and affected taxpayers.
I've already wasted too much time on this list, but there's another false statement. Biden finally ended U.S. participation in the war in Afghanistan, therefore Trump conducted that one during his 4 years. He also bombed Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, and Pakistan.

"Obama conducted 7+ wars" probably refers to the number of countries he bombed. Trump also bombed 7 countries (some at record levels), therefore also conducting 7 wars by this logic.

Oh here we go, Trump confirmed he was fighting 7 wars...
The U.S. military is officially fighting wars in seven countries, according to the White House’s latest war report. Known formally as the “Report on the Legal and Policy Frameworks Guiding the United States’ Military Force and Related National Security Operations,” the unclassified portion flags ops in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, and Niger — all under the banner of the same war authority granted in the 2002 Authorization for the Use of Military Force to fight al-Qaeda-linked militants.

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I signed on to see if there was anything new with Omicron or the current thinking of “Conservatives” and I’m waylaid by the wonderful accomplishment of former president shit for brains.
There’s like 2 dozen bullet points Chris listed, a mind boggling list of absolute nothingness.

Pro Israel? FPSfB’s declaration of Jerusalem being the capital of Israel is pure and simple a desire for eschatological teaching, first sign of bullshit with this list.

Religious freedom! More trump fandom bullshit!. Oh yeah! American Christians are under the gun, their being black washed by those nasty critical race theorists who want to outlaw good ol fashion whiteness.

Also I’m calling stone cold bullshit on any economic claims unless you are really rich, own multiple properties outside of “red states” and don’t mind jackasses like oh... every American billionaire who pays very little in personal income tax! Give me a break, this gets too easy.

Eliminating Soleimanni? ... ah... “ what about Bin Laden? Bigger target don’t you think? Iran was the enemy till what? Ukraine sovereignty and who controls the flow of natural gas into Eastern Europe?

Fuck FPSfB’s claims about his salary, this guy has habitually lied about his finances for decades but I’m too trust him on his salary? Get real, get your mind off of your libertarian jollies and sign up for the common good, it’ll work for you and me :)

Cuba? It’s still communist and there are many people there that will float on anything to get to Florida, you’re a Floridian Chris...what do you think of our Cubans? I’m related too a few of them, their all over the place politically. Not unlike every other LatinX community out there. Just for the record... they are bigots and idiots as well as anybody but their blind loyalty towards republicans puts me off.

FPSfB’s is a diehard libertarian, these social conservative morons are actually the most socialist types of communist thinkers in the world today. That’s what you don’t get. You conservatives dance around words you don’t think about. Putin’s a conservative, he’s managed to invade a sovereign nation twice, Why? I’m not putting my thoughts on this out there because I want you to do that first, I want to read your mind about “the Ukraine”. My mind is clear, I have definitive ideas between is and ought. Freedom is a communal thing, funny that it works that way in an open society.

If we are so “bigly” oil producers and sellers then why does the U.S. import 5 to 10 percent of our crude oil annually from the Russians?
Seems to me that we have an advantage there... are we exploiting that? No we’re not because... well... it’s the whole fossil fuel thing!. And Texas!

Maduro/Venezuela: Citgo gas/oil is Venezuelan, they donate fuel oil to poor American Whites? Oil is bigger than any other thing on the planet earth you do get that don’t you? Fossil fuel industry usurped the environment.

Let’s get into women’s rights. The right to bodily autonomy? My body, My choice, isn’t that what these anti-vaxxer retards have been wailing about? I posted on this board in 2016 that there would be a systematic dismantling of women’s rights and its happening as we blather about the grandness of conservatism... horrid, is the word that comes to my mind when I’m confronted by the ideas Chris has listed but hey...shit head had to be better than Hillary?

Fuck Me Running! : The UN... the WHO? Yeah we should step aside from organizations that are by design setup to prevent or mitigate global pandemics or conflicts... you know because “globalization is bad for everyone” especially meat heads from holler to holler who haven’t read a book in decades. It’s preposterous nonsense. Every utterance from the “conservative mind” is antisocial.

Middle East peace does not come from travel agreements between Israel and the UAE. There is the very real thing that is Palestine. That’s right, they are occupied, sequestered and impoverished but they are there, what off them? FPSfB’s offered bank loans for infrastructure projects, what a pathetic joke when you are a people surrounded by a very stable wall

Let’s talk about FPSfb’s Wall shall we?. Why does a genuine idiot like #45 so much admire Pewtin? It’s simple... Pewtin has militarized Russia’s borders. Do you get it now? Shit for brains wants to militarize the southern U.S border, Is that what you want? Do you get what that entails? Really! Do you understand the depths of that thinking? Push your minds to the limit and you will understand what it is to be free. Conservatism/libertarianism is not freedom! It is military authoritarianism pure and simple.

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Daaamn Taylor, you need more fiber in your diet! Or maybe a lot less fiber plus some probiotics? :P :crap:
Best economy in last 50 years.
Another falsehood. Most folks measure the economy based on Gross Domestic Product. Let's have a quick look.

Trump averaged only 1.3% over 4 years. That average was reduced by Covid. Best year was 3%
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/qV2k2/5/ <= Click for chart

Obama averaged 1.59% over 8 years. That average was reduced by the recession he inherited. Best year was 3.1%
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/v3a6t/3/

In comparing Bill Clinton's average at 3.89% over 8 years with the best year at 4.8% it's obvious Trump is not even close.
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/sSqAk/2/

Trump supporters will never examine let alone retract this claim because he tells them it's true every day and to disagree would set off painful cognitive dissonance. They will not look at the data for that reason; if they see it by accident the information will be dismissed instantly with any excuse available. :roll:
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Taylor wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:04 pmThere’s like 2 dozen bullet points Chris listed, a mind boggling list of absolute nothingness.
And just so you know, Taylor, the "list goes on." :x
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Chris OConnor wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:06 am The list was copied and pasted. I'm aware of how poorly each bullet point is worded. I'm just wondering if you guys see any validity in the general claims being made in this viral list of Trump's accomplishments.
I'd love to see a good argument for Trump's accomplishments. By someone like David Brooks or George Will or Sam Harris, who I think leans conservative.

But this particular post doesn't make any valid points that I can see. Each bullet point is not only poorly worded, many aren't even coherent thoughts. Some are just repetitions of Trump claims, which can be fact-checked by anyone with a computer, if they cared at all about truth. The writer of this post clearly does not.

At best some of the points contain partial truths. Maybe that's good enough for Facebook. But hopefully the rest of us require something more.
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