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I can see that there are many writers in booktalk.org.
Also, i feel that many of the readers out there,who want to write but not able to do it ,may be, because of 'fear' or reluctance to take the first step.

I think it would be a great help to the writing enthusiasts , if our writer friends could share something about the first step they took and the difficulties they faced initially and how they overcame all those etc.. :)


(If you are afraid of the future competition you may face, then don't bother to share your experiences.... ;) )
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Well, here is an interesting topic. I am still unpublished, though that will soon be changing. How successful it will end up being is another story, but the fact is that I have so many stories in my head that are bursting to get out that I will keep publishing as long as my base costs are met. I'll be self-publishing soon in e-book and print-on-demand at Amazon, so I hope at least some readers out there enjoy my fantasy worlds as much as I do.

I'd been wanting to write stories ever since high school. I tried a few shorts stories that ended up being aborted because, truth be told, I had absolutely no plot in mind. I just started putting down words on paper. That sort of thing quickly leads nowhere, and instead of telling myself it was a natural part of learning to write, I convinced myself that it showed I had no talent at the craft at all.

Years later, I was working at a bookstore when I abruptly got fired along with several other people who had the most seniority, and thus highest wages. It was pretty obvious despite the thin excuses that management wanted to cut some costs. I was pretty upset, and unemployed, and unsure what to do. I spent that day bouncing around trying to find another job, then that night I succumbed to depression. But at the bottom, I decided that instead of slaving away for bare wages in a job that sucked the life out of me, I would take this as an opportunity to do what I WANTED to do! I decided on a story idea that had bounced around in my head for a while and sat down to work on it.

I had learned something from my earlier attempts after all, and since I intended this to be a full length novel, and hopefully a trilogy at that, I decided to put some forethought into it this time. I started by charting my ideas and making a story outline from start to finish that forced me to think about all the stages of the story. Once that was done, I went to work.

I won't bore you with the details, but after several months, I had a complete novel. I was proud as could be of it, even though now when I look at that very first draft I cringe in pain. I still had so much to learn about writing! But I had a few things going for me that most others don't. I happen to know a romance author who had over 20 books published through a New York house, and she encouraged me all the way and gave me a lot of great advice. I traded shamelessly on that connection to have a later draft of my novel read by a fantasy editor at that same publishing house. I scored 2 our 3: I seemed to know what the fantasy market wanted, and I seemed to have interesting ideas. My writing, however, needed work.

That was a hard blow to take, especially after multiple drafts, but instead of letting it crush me, I tried to see what she meant, using her comments as a guide. It has been many years since then, and my writing has improved greatly. I base that statement on other people's comments rather than my own ego. I look at the draft I sent to that editor in New York and feel appalled.

So the moral here is not to stop writing, if that is what you truly want to do. The more you write, the more you improve over time. Even the best authors today, if you look at their initially published work, you can see how their writing has improved over time. But if you constantly wait to publish until you have reached what you think is your best levels of writing, you'll never end up publishing at all. Sooner or later, you HAVE to put your work out under the public eye. Reader commentary is what helps you improve, and even though you need to develop a thick skin, don't ever let it grow so thick that the good advice bounces off.
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Personally I believe every person should try to write something. As I said in another post, our own wisdom can survive that way for thousands of years. Take my uncle for example. He has been reading books since an early age and he has some amazing knowledge, especially about history and religion. But he has never written down something. So when he dies, all of his personal wisdom will disappear, forever.

I'm an unknown and untried author, but I decided to write down my personal views on humanity. My first work was in Dutch (as I hail from Belgium), but my personal wish was to write in English. I mailed my proposal to several publishers, but I can assure you there will be a lot of rejections. No worries, something will happen.

Just write down your own ideas, be it fiction or non-fiction. Once you feel comfortable with it, start sending it out to publishers. And never doubt your own words. At least you have the courage to share it with the world.
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DamianLake,
Thanks a lot. I am sure that this will help someone ..
Hope your book get published soon..
All the best.
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KarelVanCanegem wrote: But he has never written down something. So when he dies, all of his personal wisdom will disappear, forever.
I love the way you approach things. This is a very good point. But many of the good readers out there are not always good writers. I feel that some of them can write , but they are finding it difficult take the first step. If they read about the experiences, they may get encouraged to write. :)
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Thank you Rajesh. It is like this. When a person dies, he leaves behind his personal wealth (or debt). Most of the time these are material things like a house, money, shares, ... Those things are listed in his/her personal will. But you never find any personal wisdom. So again, I think everyone should write down their own life experiences and make that the most important thing. These writings don't have to be aimed at a large public, just the loved ones you leave behind so they can draw (strength) from your view on life.
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DamianLake wrote:Well, here is an interesting topic. I am still unpublished, though that will soon be changing. How successful it will end up being is another story, but the fact is that I have so many stories in my head that are bursting to get out that I will keep publishing as long as my base costs are met. I'll be self-publishing soon in e-book and print-on-demand at Amazon, so I hope at least some readers out there enjoy my fantasy worlds as much as I do.

I'd been wanting to write stories ever since high school. I tried a few shorts stories that ended up being aborted because, truth be told, I had absolutely no plot in mind. I just started putting down words on paper. That sort of thing quickly leads nowhere, and instead of telling myself it was a natural part of learning to write, I convinced myself that it showed I had no talent at the craft at all.

Years later, I was working at a bookstore when I abruptly got fired along with several other people who had the most seniority, and thus highest wages. It was pretty obvious despite the thin excuses that management wanted to cut some costs. I was pretty upset, and unemployed, and unsure what to do. I spent that day bouncing around trying to find another job, then that night I succumbed to depression. But at the bottom, I decided that instead of slaving away for bare wages in a job that sucked the life out of me, I would take this as an opportunity to do what I WANTED to do! I decided on a story idea that had bounced around in my head for a while and sat down to work on it.

I had learned something from my earlier attempts after all, and since I intended this to be a full length novel, and hopefully a trilogy at that, I decided to put some forethought into it this time. I started by charting my ideas and making a story outline from start to finish that forced me to think about all the stages of the story. Once that was done, I went to work.

I won't bore you with the details, but after several months, I had a complete novel. I was proud as could be of it, even though now when I look at that very first draft I cringe in pain. I still had so much to learn about writing! But I had a few things going for me that most others don't. I happen to know a romance author who had over 20 books published through a New York house, and she encouraged me all the way and gave me a lot of great advice. I traded shamelessly on that connection to have a later draft of my novel read by a fantasy editor at that same publishing house. I scored 2 our 3: I seemed to know what the fantasy market wanted, and I seemed to have interesting ideas. My writing, however, needed work.

That was a hard blow to take, especially after multiple drafts, but instead of letting it crush me, I tried to see what she meant, using her comments as a guide. It has been many years since then, and my writing has improved greatly. I base that statement on other people's comments rather than my own ego. I look at the draft I sent to that editor in New York and feel appalled.

So the moral here is not to stop writing, if that is what you truly want to do. The more you write, the more you improve over time. Even the best authors today, if you look at their initially published work, you can see how their writing has improved over time. But if you constantly wait to publish until you have reached what you think is your best levels of writing, you'll never end up publishing at all. Sooner or later, you HAVE to put your work out under the public eye. Reader commentary is what helps you improve, and even though you need to develop a thick skin, don't ever let it grow so thick that the good advice bounces off.
Damian,
Thanks for sharing that. I couldn't agree more about what you said:
"Even the best authors today, if you look at their initially published work, you can see how their writing has improved over time. But if you constantly wait to publish until you have reached what you think is your best levels of writing, you'll never end up publishing at all. Sooner or later, you HAVE to put your work out under the public eye. Reader commentary is what helps you improve, and even though you need to develop a thick skin, don't ever let it grow so thick that the good advice bounces off."

I self pub'd my debut novel, The Ezekiel Code, in 2007. It took 9 years to write it and I thought it was truly the "great American novel." Interestingly enough, it did become a "bestseller" on Amazon for over 57 weeks. So one would think it must have been some pretty spectacular writing, right? Well, no, not so much. Okay, it wasn't bad but it did have its flaws and, man, did some of my readers let me know about it in the reviews they posted. :down: Oh, yes, I did get some really great reviews, too. :clap2: In fact one lady was so excited about the book that she somehow tracked down my phone number and called me to tell me how much she loved it. :up: But it was those 1-and-2-star reviews that really irked me. I mean, how dare they? :evil: But after I got over that initial shock and disappointment, I began to realize they were really the most valuable reviews. I read them over and over and then went back and re-read my book. Son of a gun, if those reviewers weren't right on the money. Well, most of them, anyway. I started taking to heart the things they said and I set about to do some serious learning about what readers expect from a book and how I could improve my writing to satisfy those expectations. I'm pretty confident that my current novel (just out on Kindle as of Dec. 2011) is much, much closer to satisfying those expectations. A couple readers of my first novel have told me as much. :lol:

One of the best things that someone did for me was to turn me on to a book called On Writing by Stephen King. Yeah, that Stephen King. :) I won't bother to go into a discussion about the book here. I'll just say, if you're a novice novelist, you'll learn a lot from that book. Most of it, really, is not so much about the how-to of writing as it is King just sort of casually talking about his career as a writer, the ups and downs and ins and outs. The last part of the book goes into more of the how-to stuff. On Writing is an easy, relaxed read and it feels like you're just sitting around in your living room with a cup of coffee while Mr. King is right there with you, coffee in hand, telling what he knows and letting you know that you can do it... assuming you have what it takes. :wink:

Another helpful book that I highly recommend is Self-Editing for Fiction Writers by Renni Browne and Dave King. It's loaded with valuable "how to" stuff that every writer needs to know and it's really easy (and enjoyable) to read. I always keep it within arm's reach these days.

So, anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)
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I nearly died during emergency surgery due to an undiagnosed medical condition. I was so happy to survive, I just figured "what the hell?" and started writing books because I had always wanted to. I finished my first novel in three months and it was a pretty great feeling.

Of course, I suspect I shall be brutally and systematically ignored by the public and the publishing industry, but I am happy with my work and I intend to produce much more. Hopefully someday people will enjoy reading my books, but I get enough gratification from writing them that I don't think it will bother me too badly if my wife and my mother are the only two faithful readers I ever have. :)

The lesson is, just do it! Don't worry about failure, or if your idea sucks, or if people will make fun of you. Just persist! Persist, and fight, and scratch, and write. Good things come to those who don't wait and instead work their butts off.

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McGooberpoot, thanks for sharing your story and what inspired you to finally start writing. You're an inspiration and I do hope you get your books out to the masses.

It's funny how certain events in our lives can serve as a wake up call and get us to really start living.
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When I was a newlywed, my wife and I were talking about what I should pursue as a career. (I know, I should have thought about that BEFORE getting married.) She suggested I write, so I tried it and enjoyed it, but my writing was pretty bad. Actually very bad. After many false starts and stops, and after trying other careers and businesses, I finally decided that writing is what I really wanted to do. So I made a plan and set out to write. And again, after a lot of mistakes (both in the creative part and in the business part) I now have three novels published. It's been a long process, but enjoyable. I especially enjoy getting feedback, both positive and negative, from readers. It's not just the ego kick from a positive review, but also the fact that I've given someone else the enjoyment of reading something that they liked.
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