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The Top 500 Poems: 300-201

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Thank you so much, I kept wanting to go find "To A Mouse" but preferred instead the anticipation. It was worth it, and the movie was neat. A little weird, but neat. I have known that poem my whole life, and of course it gets 4 dings from me.

Thanks Penelope, I enjoyed Albert and the Lion, I had never heard of it before. I'm going to go look for it on YouTube now and see if I can hear it too. I think my grandkids are going to become familiar with this one, although with an American accent, since that's the only one I have :)
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Thanks Penny for Albert and the Lion .. don't you think it could make a good pub name .. the Albert & Lion ... I like the gritty humour and the grittiness of the Burns poem too.Somehow I associate the north of England and Scotland with this sirt of grittiness. I'm not sure about the 'brain dead raising kids' thing, although it sonds like an interesting group. I always found raising kids to have its challenges especially on the creative front. But I do understand that these challenges might not be characterized as 'intellectual' in nature, and parents often need some adult thoughts and conversation. On "The Mouse" what I see in this poem is a sense of peril, of life lived close to the edge, a pervading sense of mortality. Interesting that this sort of thing would be on Burns' mind at 26 years of age. He must have had a tough life.
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I'd be interested (and I hope not disappointed) in a biography of Burns. It's always poignant to think about artists who have come to mean so much to posterity but who in their own times could barely survive on their art, or had to labor as Burns did. But, if he hadn't had to labor, then no "To a Mouse," so maybe it's for the best (easy for me to say).

202. "Peace," by Henry Vaughn. This one makes me wonder how many of the 500 are explicitly religious. Could it be as many as 50, or 10%?

MY soul, there is a country
Far beyond the stars,
Where stands a winged sentry
All skilful in the wars:
There, above noise and danger,
Sweet Peace sits crown'd with smiles,
And One born in a manger
Commands the beauteous files.
He is thy gracious Friend,
And—O my soul, awake!—
Did in pure love descend
To die here for thy sake.
If thou canst get but thither,
There grows the flower of Peace,
The Rose that cannot wither,
Thy fortress, and thy ease.
Leave then thy foolish ranges;
For none can thee secure
But One who never changes—
Thy God, thy life, thy cure.
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DWill wrote: 202. "Peace," by Henry Vaughn. This one makes me wonder how many of the 500 are explicitly religious. Could it be as many as 50, or 10%?
I can find little in this poem for me. Can I give it half a ding? I like the first four lines.
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Saffron, if this were a chocolate, I wouldn't even give it a lick.....back in the box.....

I Don't like the subject and the dumpity, dumpity dum...rhythm seems incompatible.

Is it because it is pandering to peoples notions, perhaps???

It sound childish.....

There is nothing wrong with childlike, but childish is just not acceptable.
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

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I give up. I've tried reading this aloud, going back to imagery, trying to imagine what it would feel like reading this when it was written.....no go. Just doesn't work. Penelope--I love your chocolate/licking metaphor--much, much better than the poem.
Dwill, I think we're going to have to start a list of the worst poems of all time.
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I've been thinking about this poem....'Peace'

It raised almost revulsion in me, and I feel awful about that, as though I am showing contempt for the religion of my childhood, but I don't feel contempt, in fact, the most beautiful poem, to me, is in our CofE Hymn Book - Hymns Ancient and Modern -

Oblivion, what do you think?

The spacious firmament on high,
with all the blue ethereal sky,
and spangled heavens, a shining frame,
their great Original proclaim.
The unwearied sun from day to day
does his Creator's power display;
and publishes to every land
the work of an almighty hand.

Soon as the evening shades prevail,
the moon takes up the wondrous tale,
and nightly to the listening earth
repeats the story of her birth:
whilst all the stars that round her burn,
and all the planets in their turn,
confirm the tidings, as they roll
and spread the truth from pole to pole.

What though in solemn silence all
move round the dark terrestrial ball?
What though no real voice nor sound
amid their radiant orbs be found?
In reason's ear they all rejoice,
and utter forth a glorious voice;
for ever singing as they shine,
"The hand that made us is divine."

I like it more than Milton or William Blake.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Words: Joseph Addison, 1712
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

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No dings from me either, the subject matter doesn't make a difference to me, there are plenty of poems out there that are beautiful and inspiring (I am often in awe of the inner peace that some people find with religion.) This just isn't one of them.
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Penelope wrote:I've been thinking about this poem....'Peace'

It raised almost revulsion in me, and I feel awful about that, as though I am showing contempt for the religion of my childhood, but I don't feel contempt, in fact, the most beautiful poem, to me, is in our CofE Hymn Book - Hymns Ancient and Modern -
I like the line "If thou canst get but thither" best in "Peace," though overall I don't like it very much. Your poem, Penelope, needs the music to really create the attachment one might have to it, I think.

We're not done yet with religion-themed poems, either. 201 is "On the Late Massacre in Piedmont," by John Milton. The sonnet commemorates the massacre of a dissenting sect, the Waldensians, in 1655. I might be the "dissenting sect" in this case--I have to admire Milton's skill even though I can't exactly endorse the sentiments. I give it 2 1/2 dings.

On the Late Massacre in Piedmont

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold;
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones,
Forget not: in thy book record their groans
Who were thy sheep, and in their ancient fold
Slain by the bloody Piedmontese, that rolled
Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
The vales redoubled to the hills, and they
To heaven. Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all the Italian fields, where still doth sway
The triple Tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who, having learnt thy way,
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

Peter Valdes (also known as Waldo) came into prominence in the last half of the 12th Century, as the leader of a religious group that came to be known as the Waldensians (or Waldenses). He was a rich merchant in Lyons, France, who around 1170 renounced his wealth in favor of a life of poverty, simplicity, and preaching. In this he was similar to a number of other medieval figures, like Saint Francis of Assisi (1181?-1226), who renounced a worldly life and ended up forming small communities dedicated to worship and service. Such persons and their followers often aroused the suspicion of church authorities. Sometimes, like the Franciscans, they were able to reach an accomodation. Waldo's lack of theological training, and his use of a local dialect Bible (instead of Saint Jerome's Vulgate Latin version, recognized by the Church), were soon complained of. The Waldensians sought papal approval from the Third Lateran Council (1179), but the outcome was that Waldo was forbidden to preach and, in 1184, declared a heretic and excommunicated. With time and persecution, the Waldensians departed further from Roman teaching. The rejected the authority of the pope, denied the existence of purgagory and the efficacy of prayers for the dead, criticized the veneration of saints and the adoration of the crucifix, and dispensed with certain of the seven sacraments. They also aroused alarum among secular authorities for refusing to swear oathes in court.

Waldensian communities sprang up in many places in Europe -- Spain, northern France, Flanders, Germany, Poland, southern Italy, Hungary -- but severe persecution (extending to active torture and execution) eventually reduced them to remote niches in the Cottian Alps of Italy and France. The partisans of the 16th-century Reformation recognized them as early defenders of their notion of true religion, and a series of conferences around the middle of the century resulted in their becoming in effect a branch of the Genevan (i.e., Calvinist) Church. This did not, of course, make them any less worthy as a target of Catholic repression. In the middle of the 17th Century, the Duke of Savoy unleashed a campaign to suppress the communities living in the Piedmont region of his domains. Milton himself may have had a hand in drafting the appeals sent by Oliver Cromwell to the Duke of Savoy urging him to end the persecution.

Milton's fmous poem is a response to one particularly flagrant atrocity that resulted during this larger crusade to re-establish the true faith.
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Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold;
Wonderful first lines - really grab your attention don't they?

I also like:-

Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all the Italian fields, where still doth sway
The triple Tyrant;


How wonderful to be able to express yourself like this.

I, at first thought it might be refering to the Cathars, who were a religious group in Langedoc in France who were wiped out for having their own ideas.

I recently read 'The Labyrinth' by Kate Moss - which is about the Cathars, so probably that is why I assumed that. Thanks for your great summing up DWill.

The whole poem reminds me of Psalm 58 - Oh Lord, Bash Their Teeth In!!
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

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