Right. Because natural selection is a process of nature. Not a conduct. It’s like saying let’s make conservation of angular momentum our way of life.
N N N N No we w w we don’t!
Haha! I always get a kick out of this perception that secular people are just trembling in fear of THE BIG QUESTIONs that religious people have. Here, let me fix this for you.
Morality comes from our surrounding society. We learn how to treat each other, from each other. We teach others how to treat us, and they teach us how to treat them. We don’t get our morality from the holy books for the most part. Or more accurately, we take our beliefs of how we should treat other people to our religion, and accept those parts of our religion which are in agreement with our understanding of right and wrong, and reject those elements which disagree.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen anybody get stoned for working on Saturday, for instance. Why is that? Because everybody, including super religious people, recognize that killing a man for working on the Sabbath is psychotic. The holy book says we should do it, but we don’t do it. Because our internal deliberation of morality is BETTER than the book.
Fine, but where did our collective morality, which is passed to each generation through society, come from? Evolution. Natural selection. Because humans can accomplish much more working together than by themselves. A simple recognition of this fact is all you need to build all of morality from natural selection.
It is interesting that you use the term “explain away”. What exactly do you mean by that? It seems to imply that once something is understood it is then no longer a part of reality. This reminds me of our conversations about meaning, in which I explained how meaning was both subjective and objective. Which is to say that intelligence is what gives things meaning, and because intelligent entities value something real world objective steps are taken to preserve those things which means statistically they are safeguarded where things not seen as valuable are not preserved.
You keep saying things like “only” a human cares about that. Explaining things does not rob them of their meaning, Ant. It enhances them.
Which is exactly why we need a mechanism to remove our biases to get to the truth. It does not matter, at all, if you feel gratified. The truth is the truth regardless of how you feel about it. We can’t ignore a valuable fact because it makes us feel bad. It is easy to imagine any number of arguments of why natural selection in a population of social animals would lead toward abhorrence of raping and murdering children. Have you bothered to try to think this through?
You’ve tossed this “shallow understanding” stuff around several times, Ant, and never, never, have you come through with anything to back up that claim. Certainly not any “deeper” understanding which I have asked for every I see you make that statement.
It seems to me your criteria for what qualifies as “deep” is to assume something is ultimately a mystical mystery that leads to a god. Is that what you mean by “deep”, ant? Because you’ve failed to provide us with anything which suggests you know what you are talking about.
This is how myopic you are Ant.
Gee, what is there in the world that we could value, if not an imaginary god? Well if we can’t pretend we have an invisible god looking out for us, we might as well stop writing literature, creating artwork, being nice to each other, composing poetry, and appreciating being alive!
Really man, what they hell are you talking about?
Again, this claim of superficiality. Life on this planet is completely meaningless, according to Ant, unless you believe we are not like other animals. HAHA!
We CAN’T have meaning in our lives… unless we are the pets of an invisible cosmic monster.
Once again, what meaning are you talking about, Ant? You never answer. You do keep insisting that it’s the ONLY meaning there is to be had in life, but apparently all we are going to get is that believing is itself the meaning in life. This unknowable vague yet secretly specific and ultimate meaning is what I find ungratifying.
That’s all it takes to transform your life from “merely” loving your family because you are a human with a family, to “meaningfully” loving your family because you are a human with belief in magic
and a family.
Adding meaning to life is as easy as refusing to allow that the world is understandable. All you have to do is imagine something out there that can see through walls, watch you while you pee, and has a special plan, which he keeps super-secret
, with a special place just for you!
TA-DAH! Your life just went from so much clatter of random atomic collisions to part of a majestic march toward magical, mysterious, meaning!