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Saffron wrote: I wonder how hard it is to become a Canadian. :)
Saffron: You might not be the only one wondering this. I noticed that Macleans, a Canadian newsmagazine, had the following headline story on its Canada Day edition (July 1) : "It's the Very Best time to be Canadian". And all the comparisons (favourable of course) were with the US! I wonder if we're gonna get a line up at the border? Oh well, don't worry, we can definitely use more of the poetically inclined, so we'll move you up to the front of the line! :P
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Again the guns disturbed the hour,
Roaring their readiness to avenge,
As far inland as Stourton Tower,
And Camelot, and starlit Stonehenge.


This war poem is a bit different as it isn't written from the soldiers' point of view.

I thought it was interesting in its mention of Camelot and Stonehenge.....being disturbed by the guns.....War would have been 'quieter' in their times....not guns but swords, I suppose.

Now, of course, guns are old fashioned and Stonehenge and Camelot would be more than disturbed by H bombs. In fact destroyed.

My favourite poem is still the one which called for 'two minutes pandemonium' to remind us, rather than two minutes silence. Which is more sobering, pandemonium or silence?
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

Rafael Sabatini
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Giselle said
Hmm, more war poetry.
I have to agree, hmmm, I'm just not in the mood for war poetry. I'm off on vacation for a bit, back in August.
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Have a lovely holiday Realiz. We aren't going away until 25th August.

We are going to the Highlands of Scotland for a week, (The Ultimate Rail Experience) to ride the spectacular railways through the mountains and dales. It includes a visit to a Whiskey distillery (hic!).

If we have as much rain then as we have had this week, we won't see much. But I love Scotland and am looking forward to it.

Then in October we are going with my son and his partner and our new grandson, to rent a cottage in the Isle of Wight (if it's not too dear, DWill - :wink:)

What's everyone else doing?
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

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Enjoy Scotland, Penny, great place. And yes, best not to get carried away at the 'tastings'.

A Charm

O wen, wen, O little wennikins,
Here shall you build not, here have no abode,
But you must northwards to the nearby hill,
For there, O wretched one, you have a brother,
And he shall lay a leaf upon your head.
Under wolf's foot and under eagle's wing,
'Neath claw of eagle ever may you fade.
May you decrease like coal upon the hearth,
Shrivel away like dirt upon the wall,
Evaporate like water in a pail,
Become as little as a linseed-grain,
Much smaller than a hand-worm's hip-bone is,
And so diminish that you come to nothing.

Anon
From the Anglo-Saxon (trans. Richard Hamer)

Huh? Well, I would have thought a simple 'get lost' would suffice, but then maybe I don't get it.
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What a brilliant 'Charm'. Do you know, I think it is to charm away moles! I haven't looked it up honestly, but farmers have a lot of problems with moles and also people who like to have perfectly beautiful lawns.

I have read in my old, antique gardening and folk-lore books that people used to write letters to moles, in the form of a charm, or get the scribe to write for them if they weren't literate. Then they would but the piece of parchment or paper into the mole hill and the moles would go away, allegedly.

When I was little, we lived in a house once, where the people next door had a parrot. It used to drop seed on the floor and they got mice. Being adjoining, to my Mum's horror, we got mice too. My Mum, talked to the mice.....told them to go away and live across the road in the livery stables. Apparently, it works for beetles too, or any kind of pest.....send them a telepathic message....politely asking them to leave and always suggesting where else they should go. This is why I love folklore and such......such a picturesque way of 'being'. LOL

Anyway, I can vouch for the fact that dowsing works quite tangibly......and anyone can learn how to do it with a pendulum or hazel twig..... :wink:
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He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

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You had me checking on 'wen', I had pictured a small animal too, one who's pesky ways are a nuisance. The poem seems to contemplate some rather nasty outcomes for the poor soul. The idea of a 'charm' is interesting, working by some mysterious way it speaks to the subject critter and persuades it to take some action that would not happen without intervention.

In the process of casting about on 'wens', I found this poem by Penelope Shuttle ... background quote from UK Poetry International Web " “In my poetry I give primacy to the breath. For me it is the way the poem breathes that gives it form.” Penelope Shuttle lives in Falmouth on the south coast of Cornwall not far from Land’s End, the toe of England. She was married to the poet Peter Redgrove, who died in 2003, and has a grown-up daughter, Zoe.

So when you read this, look out for the 'wennikins' lines and watch your breathing ...

TAKING THE DRIP OUT
Then one afternoon
in a little private office
the consultant Zoe and me
there’s no more to be done for you,

they’re going to remove
the feeding drip, up the drug dosage,
‘...and he’ll just slip away’

Already high on a flying carpet
of kind morphine dreams,
you’ve nothing more to say to us,
though last week you could still moan,

‘get me out of here’

Almost as bad,
the junior doctor in the corridor
asking furtively,
‘if he has a coronary arrest,
do you want him resuscitated?’

Unanswerable question,
while a few feet away on your deathbed,
you were letting go
autumns of the future,

remembering the past maybe,
how I charmed your wart away,
pressing the raw steak to your cheek,
reciting,

‘O wen, o little wennikins,
Here shall you build not, here have no abode...’
Then buried the chunk of meat
In the north of our garden...
Or maybe you dreamed of our modest travels,

You, who like Rembrandt never visited Rome,
But like the Master of the small landscape,
loved the microcosm, sand-grains, water-droplets,
chips of granite, the exact quota of crystals

packed into a geode no bigger than an egg

On the day they take the drip out
there’s so much we don’t know,
how long it will be
before life can ever be normal again,

above all we don’t know,
Zoe and I,
how beautiful and welcoming
the sunlit sands of Maenporth will be

(o come unto these yellow sands)

nor how the equinoctial blue sky
will watch over us,
like a witty person struck silent,
as I scatter your ashes into the bright waves,
and the sea, nature’s perfectionist,

bears you away in triumph.
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Thanks giselle. What a very moving poem.

Vis a Vis - charming the wart. That is something I do know about. I have rid many a wart in my time. You cut a potato in half and rub it on the wart or warts, then bury the potato in the garden. As the potato degrades into the soil, so the wart disappears. I have honestly never known this to not work.

Of course I was taught that you should do it when there is a waning moon but I think that is just to make it seem more witchy. Now the steak as used in the poem would have been for a black eye - not a wart imo.

I have in my great grandfather's botany books, a charm written to cure ringworm. I haven't ever tried it because I haven't actually come across ringworm.....thankfully.
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He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

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I'm a little tardy with the C poems, but I'm making up some ground now!! Here's 3 of them with some theme similarity (but only some) ... I particularly like the last one. Just seems to speak clearly of a child's world and a child's imagination.

The Child Dying

Unfriendly friendly universe,
I pack your stars into my purse,
And bid you so farewell.
That I can leave you, quite go out,
Go out, go out beyond all doubt,
My father says, is the miracle.

You are so great, and I so small:
I am nothing, you are all:
Being nothing, I can take this way.
Oh I need neither rise nor fall,
For when I do not move at all
I shall be out of all your day.

It's said some memory will remain
In the other place, grass in the rain,
Light on the land, sun on the sea,
A flitting grace, a phantom face,
But the world is out. There is not place
Where it and its ghost can ever be.

Father, father, I dread this air
Blown from the far side of despair
The cold cold corner. What house, what hold,
What hand is there? I look and see
Nothing-filled eternity,
And the great round world grows weak and old.

Hold my hand, oh hold it fast-
I am changing! - until at last
My hand in yours no more will change,
Though yours change on. You here, I there,
So hand in hand, twin-leafed despair -
I did not know death was so strange.

Edwin Muir

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A Child’s Pet

When I sailed out of Baltimore,
    With twice a thousand head of sheep,
They would not eat, they would not drink,
    But bleated o'er the deep 

Inside the pens we crawled each day
    To sort the living from the dead;
And when we reached the Mersey's mouth
    Had lost five hundred head. 

Yet every night and day one sheep,
     That had no fear of man or sea
Stuck through the bars its pleading face,
     And it was stroked by me. 

And to the sheep-men standing near,
    'You see,' I said, 'this one tame sheep?
It seems a child has lost her pet,
     And cried herself to sleep.' 

So every time we passed it by
    Sailing to England's slaughterhouse,
Eight ragged sheep-men -- tramps and thieves --
    Would stroke that sheep's black nose.

W. H. Davies


Child’s Song

My cheap toy lamp
Gives little light
All night, all night,
When my muscles cramp.

Sometimes I touch your hand
Across my cot,
And our fingers knot,
But there’s no hand

to take me home –
No Carribean
Island, where even
The shark is at home.

It must be heaven.
There on that island
The white sand shines
Like a birchwood fire.

Help, saw me in two,
Put me on the shelf!
Sometimes the little muddler
can’t stand itself!

Robert Lowell
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Penelope wrote:Thanks giselle. What a very moving poem.

Vis a Vis - charming the wart. That is something I do know about. I have rid many a wart in my time. You cut a potato in half and rub it on the wart or warts, then bury the potato in the garden. As the potato degrades into the soil, so the wart disappears. I have honestly never known this to not work.

Of course I was taught that you should do it when there is a waning moon but I think that is just to make it seem more witchy. Now the steak as used in the poem would have been for a black eye - not a wart imo.

I have in my great grandfather's botany books, a charm written to cure ringworm. I haven't ever tried it because I haven't actually come across ringworm.....thankfully.
Penny - sounds like you know quite a bit about charms and how they deal with nasty things like warts and ringworm ... and you do hail from an area of the world (or at least nearby) that is famous for its witches, so, you know, putting two and two together .. ? but anyway that's ok, I'm sure you're not a wicked one ! :D
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