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"The Martian" Does it mislead the public about science? 
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Post Re: "The Martian" Does it mislead the public about science?
I'd like to see us build a permanent lunar base for similar reasons to why we went there the first time.

Europe's Next Space Chief Wants a Moon Colony on the Lunar Far Side



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That would be the epitome of whats called wasteful spending.



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Scientific research?


Okay. Drop the word research and put in solutions, Only makes the authors case worse. What I offered was a kindness. :)

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Ant, I'm sure you felt our first trip to the moon was wasteful too. I'm sure you feel that much of scientific exploration is a big waste of time.

Can you not picture the possibility that one day we might need to branch off into other areas of our galaxy in order to keep our species from extinction? With all our eggs in one basic (Earth) a major global catastrophe can end our species for good, but not if we exist elsewhere in the cosmos. A lunar base is a stepping stone in the extremely long and complicated process of learning how to leave this planet and reach others.



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Post Re: "The Martian" Does it mislead the public about science?
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Ant, I'm sure you felt our first trip to the moon was wasteful too. I'm sure you feel that much of scientific exploration is a big waste of time.

Can you not picture the possibility that one day we might need to branch off into other areas of our galaxy in order to keep our species from extinction? With all our eggs in one basic (Earth) a major global catastrophe can end our species for good, but not if we exist elsewhere is the cosmos. A lunar base is a stepping stone in the extremely long and complicated process of learning how to leave this planet and reach others.



Well youre wrong again, C.

The first lunar mission was a nice accomplished. However it was mostly done for bragging rights, which Im certain you are aware of.
After that, there was no practical reason to spend the money and time going back. Our resources were (and still are) needed elsewhere.

The costs of going back are enormous. Building a lunar base is even more expensive.
Why do that when we have pending matters here on earth that have enormous costs attached to them?
Why not dierect our resources where they are immediately needed (hunger and poverty) and wherr they are likely to be needed very soon (ie relocating The Pacific Island nations that will be ejected from their homes because of climate change, fresh water production, etc etc.)

There's no damn food on the moon. Why fly it up there when thousans of people here on Earth are dying every hour because they dont have it.
Prophecizing a global catastrophy to justify the spending to build some lunar base is 95 percent fantasy 5 percent waste. And that 5 percent is too wasteful and impractical at that.

Also, we dont know what the effects on the sensory and central nervous system would be in an utterly alien environment. Its not as easy as envisioning everyone living happily ever after dressed in space suits, living in radiation sealed igloos. How would that impact our species.
We are a very fragile species that is specifically designed (oops! Dirty word there!) for earth and its environment.

We cant get carried away in fantasy here just because science advertises we can do most anything.



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Scientific research?


Okay. Drop the word research and put in solutions, Only makes the authors case worse. What I offered was a kindness. :)

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Solutions?
Whats the solution for the psychological risks of sending men 33.9 million miles on a one way trip, to an environment that is totally inhospitable to homo sapiens?
How would they deal with social and environmental isolation?

Its not like the movie, Taylor. You just dont glamorize the idea and say send us off!

YOU SEE??! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
total misconception about what the science actually is.



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Whats the solution for the psychological risks of sending men 33.9 million miles on a one way trip, to an environment that is totally inhospitable to homo sapiens?
How would they deal with social and environmental isolation?

Its not like the movie, Taylor. You just dont glamorize the idea and say send us off!

YOU SEE??! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
total misconception about what the science actually is.


The risk is part of the glamor why else would anyone attempt such a thing.

You said yourself that there are bragging rights to consider.

Also, should it be, that only men, would be the ones to attempt such a long and demented trip?

We could scratch lobotomy off a list of solutions, there's a start.

You unfairly accuse me of misconception, when in truth I'm fully aware of such risks.

You nor the author of the OP give credit to laypeople.

No unrealistic claim has been offered that exaggerates understanding of science or technology.

No one has proposed to just "send us off".



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Right..bragging rights and glamour is what matters here.

Okay, Taylor.



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YOU SEE??! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
total misconception about what the science actually is.


I'm feeling scolded here. :cry:

Maybe some more of the best of the best will lift my heart.

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Right..bragging rights and glamour is what matters here.

Okay, Taylor.


You know perfectly well that this is not my primary claim of "what matters"



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Post Re: "The Martian" Does it mislead the public about science?
One reason to go to Mars, or to establish a manned lunar base, is because it would be an enormous accomplishment, something that would inspire and unite us (just as the Apollo missions did). Whether that "us" is one nation or a joint effort of nations remains to be seen.

Another reason is the wealth of information such an experience might bring. We could learn that life first arose on Mars, then was seeded to Earth. Wouldn't that be amazing? And that's just one possible scenario. But there are countless other scenarios lie beyond our feeble imaginations and will only be discovered by those with an intrepid and irrepressible spirit, willing to explore beyond our comfort zone. Throughout history, many great discoveries were discovered serendipitously, either while trying to figure out how stuff works or in merely boldly exploring the outer reaches.

I think when early humans first started walking upright, they looked up to the stars for passion and inspiration. We will never discover what is unknown by not taking risks. Fortunately, if there ever is a mission to Mars, there will be plenty of people willing to take the risk for the chance to push us to the next frontier and inspire us to greatness.


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I also have this peculiar feeling for science :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XCVnV5CGh0



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Okay so this one might be overkill, but astronauts need some luck also :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpGHR6ofus



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Post Re: "The Martian" Does it mislead the public about science?
I haven't seen The Martian movie. The article was making interesting observations on science and technology and how we view it and scientists.
The screenwriter described it as a spiritual movie in which science is worshiped as a religion and scientists are superheroes rather than ordinary mortals.
On balance people think science is beneficial from the poll results.
Stephen Hawking is somewhat of a pessimist and thinks we need science to rescue us from apocalyptic dangers such as global warming,nuclear war,collisions with asteroids and conquest by nomadic aliens.
So we need to able to escape planet earth and live elsewhere. He publicly supports a Russian billionaire's million pound project to search for aliens which he is certain exist somewhere, though he doesn't think we should be letting them know of our existence through S.E.T.I. style message sending.
www.ibtimes.co.uk/stephen-hawking-there ... ai-1521968

On another thread, ant featured this aspect of apocalyptic pessimism. which for those so persuaded, science seems to be the only solution as there is nothing else but the natural material world as they see it.
On a lighter note a B.B.C. comedy series from a few years back called Stella Street featured this anxiety in one episode called; The End.
It features various Hollywood stars and British movie and rock stars, all for some bizarre reason having moved to Surbiton a suburb of London.
Some bad language in this, but funny if a bit cruel in one or two depictions of screen legends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGlKXEqM8ys



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If any of you want a free copy of "The Martian" send me a private message with your mailing address. :-)

Same goes for "Good Thinking."



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Post Re: "The Martian" Does it mislead the public about science?
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They should issue a trigger warning so that people don't come away with unrealistic expectations of reality after seeing a science fiction movie! I mean, really?

Now you've got me thinking about what makes a movie or book science fiction. Maybe the category is fuzzy in definition, as you'll find people referring to Star Wars as Sci-fi, when I'd say it's straight-up fantasy. But it seems to me that when you have a work in which the technology and society are represented as very close to what we have now, the science piece isn't viewed as a fiction, and the science probably strives for credibility. That, anyway, was how I looked at this movie. You're right, though, it shouldn't be counted as a weakness, or faulty science, that some capabilities in the movie don't exist yet. Anything about the future is speculative.

I would say that the film is unrealistic, not in the science but in its Hollywood cliff-hanger concept where against all odds everything comes together at the end. That is just what audiences like.



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