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The Gas Giant Planets, the Great Year and the Holy City 
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Here is the abstract and link for a work-in-progress article I am writing. Please click on the heading for the full article (2.5 megabyte file size), which has some very cool graphics.

The Gas Giant Planets, the Great Year and the Holy City

Abstract: The gas giant planets Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune form a conjunction cycle of 179 years, a period that is 1/144th of earth’s long term temporal cycle known as the Great Year (25765 years). This astronomical structure of time also has a cultural resonance with the Bible’s implicit use of the planetary structure of the Great Year as the framework for the Holy City. This paper provides new physical findings about the Great Year which show how this long time horizon provides a temporal framework for Christian cosmology.



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Robert, I strongly suspect you are a genius and crazy at the same time.

This stuff is either way beyond me or it's just pure astrological nonsense. But hey, what the hell, I'll take a look at this manifesto of yours. Unfortunately I trip—badly—over the first sentence.

"The gas giant planets Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune form a conjunction cycle of 179 years, a period that is 1/144th of earth’s long term temporal cycle known as the Great Year (25765 years)."

Pretend you're talking to a child or somewhat high-functioning idiot. What is a "conjunction cycle?" And now let's leap to a more obvious question, how can the movement of distant stars and planets affect what is happening on our little blue-green planet? I do expect you, one of the most scientifically literate people I know, to answer this with something that at least vaguely approaches real science, or are we expected to take a mystical leap?

By the way, cool graphics. :smile:


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Robert, I strongly suspect you are a genius and crazy at the same time. This stuff is either way beyond me or it's just pure astrological nonsense. But hey, what the hell, I'll take a look at this manifesto of yours. Unfortunately I trip—badly—over the first sentence. "The gas giant planets Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune form a conjunction cycle of 179 years, a period that is 1/144th of earth’s long term temporal cycle known as the Great Year (25765 years)." Pretend you're talking to a child or somewhat high-functioning idiot. What is a "conjunction cycle?" And now let's leap to a more obvious question, how can the movement of distant stars and planets affect what is happening on our little blue-green planet? I do expect you, one of the most scientifically literate people I know, to answer this with something that at least vaguely approaches real science, or are we expected to take a mystical leap? By the way, cool graphics. :smile:

Hi Geo, thank you very much for having a look at my paper. I know that things that seem obvious to me are obscure for others, so I am very happy to work through line by line to explain it. It does present a whole new paradigm, which I maintain is completely scientific.

You ask what a conjunction cycle is. A conjunction is when two planets line up with each other in their orbits around the sun. A triple conjunction is when three planets line up with the sun. There is a triple conjunction of Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune every 179 years. This repeating pattern of the three largest planets of our solar system has a precise harmony, which I have discovered and present here for the first time, with the long term spin pattern of the earth. This is a natural structure of time, which is also reflected in major themes of human culture.

You ask 'how can the movement of distant stars and planets affect what is happening on our little blue-green planet?' My paper makes no claims about effects of stars, but does say that the solar system can be considered a unitary structure which establishes permanent rhythms of the evolution of life on earth. The Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune conjunction cycle has happened roughly twenty million times since the dawn of life as a permanent context of life on earth. This slow effect of other planets is weak but is permanent and real.



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You ask what a conjunction cycle is. A conjunction is when two planets line up with each other in their orbits around the sun. A triple conjunction is when three planets line up with the sun. There is a triple conjunction of Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune every 179 years. This repeating pattern of the three largest planets of our solar system has a precise harmony, which I have discovered and present here for the first time, with the long term spin pattern of the earth. This is a natural structure of time, which is also reflected in major themes of human culture.

You ask 'how can the movement of distant stars and planets affect what is happening on our little blue-green planet?' My paper makes no claims about effects of stars, but does say that the solar system can be considered a unitary structure which establishes permanent rhythms of the evolution of life on earth. The Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune conjunction cycle has happened roughly twenty million times since the dawn of life as a permanent context of life on earth. This slow effect of other planets is weak but is permanent and real.


Thanks Robert. I'm afraid you're going to have to go slow.

How can these conjunctions, which are relatively rare events, affect life on earth? Is there any evidence that such conjunctions have made any kind of difference except perhaps in the tidal forces?

Back to your thesis: The gas giant planets Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune form a conjunction cycle of 179 years, a period that is 1/144th of earth’s long term temporal cycle known as the Great Year (25765 years). This astronomical structure of time also has a cultural resonance with the Bible’s implicit use of the planetary structure of the Great Year as the framework for the Holy City. This paper provides new physical findings about the Great Year which show how this long time horizon provides a temporal framework for Christian cosmology.

I now know (thanks to Google) that the "Great Year is the time it takes for earth's poles to wobble from one side to the other or otherwise rotate in a complete circle, right? You're going to have to explain what the significance of this completion of the arc would mean. Also, what is this "cultural resonance with the Bible's implicit use of the planetary structure." Thanks.


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Thanks Robert. I'm afraid you're going to have to go slow.

How can these conjunctions, which are relatively rare events, affect life on earth? Is there any evidence that such conjunctions have made any kind of difference except perhaps in the tidal forces?

What we have is a stable repeating pattern, showing through in the wave function of the centre of mass of the solar system, which provides a permanent temporal context for the astronomy of the earth. The earth has been inside this orbiting system from the start.

Our ‘initial conditions’ for genetic evolution include stable repetitive cycles of the planets, with this 179 year cycle the main one for the solar system, as indicated in the wave function of the position of the sun against the centre of mass. I explain this connection with the sun in my paper, as this JSN cycle produces a main rhythm of the path of the sun around the galaxy.

There is no accepted evidence that this cycle has any effect on earth. However, the effect of this cycle is pervasive, even if it is extremely weak at any given moment. The temporal structure of the solar system can be considered like the foundations of a building, or more properly of a chaotic process, where a 0.1% difference is magnified through sensitivity to initial conditions.

A way to help describe the claim is to consider the solar system as like a fractal model of the DNA double helix. Jupiter and Saturn meet every twenty years, and every third meeting forms a helix step, producing a triple braided helical pattern around the sun. A photo of the model I made of this observation is in my paper. After nine steps of this triple braid 3x3 Jupiter Saturn helix, ie after 179 years, these planets enter into another bigger helix, like the rung of a ladder, this time with Neptune. Twelve rungs of this JSN ladder are exactly equal to the earth’s Zodiacal Age, and twelve Zodiac Ages make a Great Year. Please note, this is 100% pure empirical science.

Around twenty million repetitions of this pattern of the gas giants have occurred since life evolved. Considering that this big solar system pattern also keys into the earth’s own wobble period, it is fair to look for possible correlations in human history.


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Back to your thesis: The gas giant planets Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune form a conjunction cycle of 179 years, a period that is 1/144th of earth’s long term temporal cycle known as the Great Year (25765 years). This astronomical structure of time also has a cultural resonance with the Bible’s implicit use of the planetary structure of the Great Year as the framework for the Holy City. This paper provides new physical findings about the Great Year which show how this long time horizon provides a temporal framework for Christian cosmology.

I now know (thanks to Google) that the "Great Year is the time it takes for earth's poles to wobble from one side to the other or otherwise rotate in a complete circle, right? You're going to have to explain what the significance of this completion of the arc would mean. Also, what is this "cultural resonance with the Bible's implicit use of the planetary structure." Thanks.


The significance is uncertain, but the Biblical references are actually quite clear. Revelation 21 describes the holy city as a cube of width 12,000 stadia and circumference 144 cubits. This matches exactly to the width of the Great Year as 12,000 years in the Indian Vedic tradition, and also to the length of the Great Year as 144 JSN cycles. My claim is that this old Vedic tradition of the period of the Yuga provides an encompassing explanation for the Biblical theory of time.

The whole Biblical story can be seen in terms of this theory of time, with its roots in the Vedas and other mythology. This Indian framework for the Holy City, suggesting the Biblical New Jerusalem is actually a description of the Great Year, is partly why I think it is important to consider other such linkages between the Bible and the Vedas. For example, there is an apparent identity between the Hebrew Abraham and Sarah and the Indian Brahma and Sarasvati, the Latin Deus Pater and the Indian Dyaus Pita (and also Zeus Pater and Jupiter), the Greek Christ and the Indian Krishna, and other terms of common Indo-European origin.

So why has this claim not been raised before? My opinion is that the production of the Bible concealed a conflict between holders of the esoteric astral wisdom of the Great Year and others who wished to totally exclude stellar themes from monotheism. This latter group was victorious, and re-wrote the texts with their dogma. However, this exclusion of the stars leaks badly throughout the Bible, from the three magi at the birth of Christ, to Ezekiel’s vision which I discuss in my paper, to Job’s discussion of Orion and the Pleiades, to the tree of life, and also to the holy city itself. The stellar interpretation has strong congruence with Gnostic themes which were intensively suppressed by orthodoxy. My supposition is that this ancient wisdom found its way into the Bible concealed in a relatively simple code.



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Astronomy is certainly interesting. I don't see how the alignment of planets at certain points in time does anything to affect life on Earth. How much force does the combined gravity exert in proportion to the moon? It doesn't seem like it would be much, and it would be far enough apart in time to have no lasting impression on a single generation of species to make a difference.

It seems likely as well that instead of being sensitized to gravitational forces, organisms would be desensitized to them. Lunar gravity is much more powerful and can't be ignored. On the other hand, some of the adaptations life has undergone have more to do with the reflective properties of the moon rather than it's gravity. Any adaptation to tides is only an adaptation to lunar gravity by extension. The constant miniscule gravitational forces that are constantly bombarding Earth are random enough and so very small that to correlate any organic process to these forces would be counterproductive. That there is a small spike in gravity once in a long time ignores the other numerous spikes. The alignment of the moon with different celestial bodies, including the sun, would be far larger spikes, and would drown out other smaller ones with respect to them influencing life, whether they are rhythmic or not.

I would expect that any influence such an alignment would have is that it piques the curiosity of humans, who attempt to divine meaning from it. I'm sure much of what our ancestors discovered was considered divine in nature, so included in bibles.

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A way to help describe the claim is to consider the solar system as like a fractal model of the DNA double helix.


The analogy of celestial patterns to DNA is perhaps useful as an explanatory device of the mechanics. Were you hoping to show through this analogy that these celestial patterns have an influence on life on Earth? Using DNA as your choice of explanatory analogy obscures the fact that it is only an analogy.

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Around twenty million repetitions of this pattern of the gas giants have occurred since life evolved. Considering that this big solar system pattern also keys into the earth’s own wobble period, it is fair to look for possible correlations in human history.


A correlation wouldn't be that hard to find I'm sure. Such correlations would spark a deep rooted bias, however. The probability of coincidence is high enough that correlations likely exist, but it wouldn't be correct to consider them causes. The best place to search for correlations would likely be man-made events in which our ancestors acted in correspondence to celestial patterns.



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Astronomy is certainly interesting. I don't see how the alignment of planets at certain points in time does anything to affect life on Earth. How much force does the combined gravity exert in proportion to the moon? It doesn't seem like it would be much, and it would be far enough apart in time to have no lasting impression on a single generation of species to make a difference.


Slow patterns don’t need to affect a single generation, only long term averages. This is why for example cicada incubation is always a prime number of years, because on average over time factorable periods were subject to predation and were less adaptive. Rats have a measurable gravitational sense, as experiments found they are more active when the moon is down, controlling for other factors. This suggests that possible planetary effects on evolution are subtle and deep, and likely to be very hard to measure in the case of outer planetary cycles.

I worked out the tidal influence of the planets on earth, as follows.

Tidal Effects on Seas of Earth (Moon = 1)
Moon:1.00
Sun 0.316
Venus 0.0000506070
Jupiter 0.00000612
Mars 0.000000956
Mercury 0.000000324
Saturn 0.000000208
Uranus 0.000000003
Neptune 0.000000001
Pluto 0.00000000000004

So if the Moon causes tides of one metre, Neptune causes tides of a nanometre. On average, by the operation of gravity, this means the oceans are about a nanometre higher when Neptune is above or below than when Neptune is at the horizon. This is a mathematical prediction that could not be measured in practice, but the stronger planetary tides, such as Venus at fifty microns, might be above the measurement threshold.

It is the combination of the planetary effects on the position of the sun that I am drawing attention to. Earth and the inner planets have negligible effect on this central pattern of the solar system, which is basically caused by the gas giants. My paper shows that Neptune, as the main limit body for the solar system, modulates the main rhythm of the overall system, and that Earth also harmonises with this pulse.

The tidal chart above has a long term cycle which mirrors the shape of the solar system centre of mass, caused by the combined wave periods of the gas giants.


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It seems likely as well that instead of being sensitized to gravitational forces, organisms would be desensitized to them. Lunar gravity is much more powerful and can't be ignored. On the other hand, some of the adaptations life has undergone have more to do with the reflective properties of the moon rather than it's gravity. Any adaptation to tides is only an adaptation to lunar gravity by extension. The constant miniscule gravitational forces that are constantly bombarding Earth are random enough and so very small that to correlate any organic process to these forces would be counterproductive. That there is a small spike in gravity once in a long time ignores the other numerous spikes. The alignment of the moon with different celestial bodies, including the sun, would be far larger spikes, and would drown out other smaller ones with respect to them influencing life, whether they are rhythmic or not.
This is nice analysis Interbane, but the long term cycles are in fact not random, and are strongly cyclical and repetitive. The diagrams in my paper of the solar system barycentre prove this point. Lunar spikes have daily cycles producing the tide and monthly cycles producing flood and neap tides, whereas the gas giants form cycles whose period is measured in decades and centuries. The slow nature of these cycles does not imply they would be completely drowned out by louder signals, but rather suggests that life would adapt to them as a constant recurring part of the niche of the earth.
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I would expect that any influence such an alignment would have is that it piques the curiosity of humans, who attempt to divine meaning from it. I'm sure much of what our ancestors discovered was considered divine in nature, so included in bibles.
This model provides a star clock for the earth. This star clock was known by the ancients, but information about it was suppressed, due to the culture war over the content of monotheism. However, there is a physical match between the story of the stars and the story of Christianity, and the question can be asked how far this match is natural and how much is it artificial or cultural.

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A way to help describe the claim is to consider the solar system as like a fractal model of the DNA double helix.
The analogy of celestial patterns to DNA is perhaps useful as an explanatory device of the mechanics. Were you hoping to show through this analogy that these celestial patterns have an influence on life on Earth? Using DNA as your choice of explanatory analogy obscures the fact that it is only an analogy.
The comparison between the gas giant cycles and DNA is more than an analogy. The helix shape of DNA is the same in geometric terms as the four dimensional space-time model of the solar system, except that the nodes of the planetary helixes are inter-temporal rather than simultaneous. Basically, with the Zodiacal Age we have a triple helix formed by twelve triple conjunctions of Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune, each occurring 30° further along the zodiac than the last one, giving twelve divisions of the Age, one for each zodiac sign. I would like to do a computer-aided design model of this structure, for which the wire and wool and dowel model photographed in my paper is a prototype.

I should note, the model in the photo is pretty well as permanent as the solar system, and could be used to locate the positions of these three gas giants at any time. Of course the data drifts away from certainty over a few thousand years, but the disk of calendar dates in my paper is basically accurate, functioning like a perpetual calendar.

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Around twenty million repetitions of this pattern of the gas giants have occurred since life evolved. Considering that this big solar system pattern also keys into the earth’s own wobble period, it is fair to look for possible correlations in human history.


A correlation wouldn't be that hard to find I'm sure. Such correlations would spark a deep rooted bias, however. The probability of coincidence is high enough that correlations likely exist, but it wouldn't be correct to consider them causes. The best place to search for correlations would likely be man-made events in which our ancestors acted in correspondence to celestial patterns.
Against that criterion, the use of these Great Year patterns in the layout of the Holy City of Revelation is an excellent candidate for a man-made event in which our ancestors acted in correspondence to celestial patterns. However, this claim is not accepted by mainstream science or theology, although the evidence for it appears compelling. I think though, that there is more to it than bias, in that it seems reasonable to argue these slow patterns are embedded in the DNA of life on earth.



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This is nice analysis Interbane, but the long term cycles are in fact not random, and are strongly cyclical and repetitive. The diagrams in my paper of the solar system barycentre prove this point.


Thanks Robert, I enjoy discussing ideas with you. I understand that the long term cycles have a pattern. What I meant by spikes of gravity is that during the course of any given day, gravity is shifting(not really shifting, but you understand what I mean, I hope) nonstop in response to orbiting celestial bodies. When the moon aligns or even gets in the same region of space as any given planet, gravity spikes slightly in that direction. I would be interested to see what difference there is in gravitational pull toward the center of the galaxy versus away from the center. We are towards the outskirts of our galaxy, so the bulk of matter and thus gravitational pull from our galaxy would come from a distinct direction. Also, when the moon is in the same region of space as the sun, there is a much larger spike.

The celestial bodies don't have to be aligned to elicit a larger gravitational pull, they merely have to be close, in roughly the same region in the sky. The variances between different proximities of celestial bodies in these regions would produce different strengths of spikes and at different times. If they are perfectly aligned, there would be a slightly larger spike. This slightly larger spike is nothing compared to the influence of the moon and all the millions of variations of strengths of pull it would have as it is positioned in the same region as other bodies over time.

This is what I mean by random. We home in on the tangible, the easily seen and statistically significant event of perfect alignment, but that doesn't mean gravity isn't continually fluctuating nonstop even when celestial bodies aren't aligned, but are merely in the same region.

The number of different gravitational pulls incorporating no other celestial bodies but the moon, the sun, and Venus alone would be statistically massive. Being the most gravitationally influential, the variations in gravity from these three are easily enough to drown out any exceptionally minor fluctuations that occur over longer periods but are rhythmic. They would be lost in the gravitational cacophony of not only far more frequent spikes, but also far stronger spikes.

If you're wanting to form a hypothesis on the influence of gravitational fluctuations on life, the best starting point is not the alignment of celestial bodies, but on an actual measurement of the largest spikes which are also rhythmic. What I mean is that there should be experiments that are blind to the sky, so to speak. They look at nothing but gravitational fluctuations and any correlating adaptations that may exist. My intuition tells me you'll find no correlations weaker than a certain strength. Even then, the adaptations would most likely be in response to tidal movements rather than the gravitational fluctuations themselves.

There's also the question of whether it's evolutionarily advantageous at all to 'adapt' to gravitational fluctuations. I can't see any advantage. If organisms are looking for synchrony of some sort, lunar gravity stands front and center as the rhythm of choice. I see no advantage to synchronizing with weaker gravitational fluctuations. What would the advantage be? How would it help the selfish gene? The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps some celestial cycles correlate to solar flares or some other tangible phenomenon, so act as a warning system to hide. However, this is a long stretch.

The best way to picture what I'm getting at is to imagine a nonstop racket of raindrops outside your window. The rhythmic falling of one small lone drop of water as it drips repetitively once an hour from a leaf on a tree would go completely unnoticed. This is even more the case if we imagine the influence of the moon as a gallon of water splashing rhythmically overtop your full-to-the-brim gutters once every couple seconds.

I think you're zeroing in on the statistical significance of alignment and ignoring the actual tangible influence this alignment has. We've evolved to be pattern seekers, and this is most definitely a pattern. Claiming that this pattern influences us in an evolutionary manner is a separate issue, and suggests your following the trail of bread crumbs in reverse order.

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However, there is a physical match between the story of the stars and the story of Christianity, and the question can be asked how far this match is natural and how much is it artificial or cultural.


How would a match between celestial cycles and the bible be natural as opposed to observed then documented? I don't understand what you mean by classifying them as natural here. Are you suggesting that these cycles were 'divined' without knowledge of their actual existence, then written into text? Perhaps god whispered the workings of the heavens into our ancestors ears, then they wrote it down, only to then discover that god's word actually corresponded as they observed the heavens?

Parsimony applies here. The likely explanation is that our ancestors observed how the heavens operate, and littered their text with their findings.

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The helix shape of DNA is the same in geometric terms as the four dimensional space-time model of the solar system, except that the nodes of the planetary helixes are inter-temporal rather than simultaneous.


How is that anything more than analogous? The purpose of an analogy is that there are similarities. Explaining the similarities in greater detail does not make the relationship more than an analogy. In any case, what would the relationship be? I can't even go out on a limb to guess, there's nothing here but analogous similarities.



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This is nice analysis Interbane, but the long term cycles are in fact not random, and are strongly cyclical and repetitive.
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The diagrams in my paper of the solar system barycentre prove this point.
Thanks Robert, I enjoy discussing ideas with you.
Yes, likewise. This material can be analysed from an evolutionary mathematical perspective, with an empirical framework. As you know, I am interested to assess theology against evolution, looking towards a possible reconciliation between reason and faith rather than focussing on conflict.
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I understand that the long term cycles have a pattern.
This is actually quite a significant point, in that the pattern of long term cycles I describe has not previously been seen, in terms of linking Neptune to Earth’s temporal cycle.
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What I meant by spikes of gravity is that during the course of any given day, gravity is shifting (not really shifting, but you understand what I mean, I hope) nonstop in response to orbiting celestial bodies.
Looking at the wiki page on tides, you can see the Moon makes almost 2/3 of the earth’s tide, and the sun almost all the remainder. When moon and sun are together we get spring tides, and when they are orthogonal (at right angles) we get small (neap) tides. These are monthly cycles of gravity.
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When the moon aligns or even gets in the same region of space as any given planet, gravity spikes slightly in that direction.
The combination of effects of two bodies can be plotted as a combination of sine curves, with period equal to the orbital period of the planet and amplitude equal to the gravitational effect by Newton’s inverse square formula. So ‘spiking’ is not quite the correct term. The fluctuation in gravity for the solar system as a whole can be seen in the chart in my paper of the solar system centre of mass.
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I would be interested to see what difference there is in gravitational pull toward the center of the galaxy versus away from the center.
None. It is too far away. If Neptune causes a nanometre of tide the galactic core might cause something like an atom of gravity. You can calculate this easily from estimates for the four million sun mass of the galactic core and the distance of 26,000 light years.
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We are towards the outskirts of our galaxy, so the bulk of matter and thus gravitational pull from our galaxy would come from a distinct direction.
Remember, if the solar system out to Neptune was a quarter dollar, the next star, Alpha Centauri, would be 100 yards away and the galaxy would be about the size of the USA 48 states. Gravity declines as the square of the distance, so the solar system is a very distinct gravitational unit. No gravity outside the solar system has effect even remotely comparable to Neptune, small as its gravity on earth is. Everything else is just too far away.
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Also, when the moon is in the same region of space as the sun, there is a much larger spike.
Yes, this relation between moon and sun forms the rhythm of spring tides and neap tides.
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The celestial bodies don't have to be aligned to elicit a larger gravitational pull, they merely have to be close, in roughly the same region in the sky.
Combined gravity of any two planets follows a sinusoidal pattern, peaking when they are together and cancelling each other when they are opposite. However, tides work a bit differently, in that they peak when sun and moon are either together (new Moon) or opposite (full Moon), and are smallest at the first and third quarters.
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The variances between different proximities of celestial bodies in these regions would produce different strengths of spikes and at different times.
Yes, exactly, and this is what is measured and quantified in my paper, in terms of the solar system as a whole.
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If they are perfectly aligned, there would be a slightly larger spike.
For example, when Jupiter and Saturn are aligned the solar system centre of mass is pulled towards them, although the balance of mass is not the same thing as gravity.
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This slightly larger spike is nothing compared to the influence of the moon and all the millions of variations of strengths of pull it would have as it is positioned in the same region as other bodies over time.
I explained before that if the lunar tide is one metre, the Neptune spike is a nanometre. This means Saturn effect on earth tides would be 0.2 microns and Jupiter 6 microns. The point about these tiny cycles is that their rate of change is very slow, whereas the moon shifts every month. So there are overlapping cycles, big short cycles caused by the moon and sun, and imperceptible long term cycles caused by the planets, reflecting the pattern of the centre of mass.
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This is what I mean by random.
No, planetary movement is not random, it is cyclic.
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We home in on the tangible, the easily seen and statistically significant event of perfect alignment, but that doesn't mean gravity isn't continually fluctuating nonstop even when celestial bodies aren't aligned, but are merely in the same region.
Conjunctions are like gravitational nodes. This is a fair description, because the combined effect of two planets gradually increases to a maximum at the turning point of the conjunction and then gradually decreases.
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The number of different gravitational pulls incorporating no other celestial bodies but the moon, the sun, and Venus alone would be statistically massive.
Yes, and these functions can readily be plotted as graphs showing the combined effects over time. The mathematics for this is quite easy, as shown in the op-art diagram in my paper of the combined gravity at the sun of the gas giants.
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Being the most gravitationally influential, the variations in gravity from these three are easily enough to drown out any exceptionally minor fluctuations that occur over longer periods but are rhythmic.
Your term ‘drown out’ is not relevant to the astronomy here. If the planetary effects on earth are real and rhythmic, it stands to reason that there would be real tidal effects from the planets, albeit tiny. The ocean has 1.3 billion cubic kilometres of water. If for argument sake we say the moon moves the whole ocean, then the volume of water moved twice each day by Jupiter is in the order of 6000 cubic kilometres. Yes, this is ‘drowned out’ for practical purposes, but that does not affect the question whether these effects have deep evolutionary harmony.
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They would be lost in the gravitational cacophony of not only far more frequent spikes, but also far stronger spikes.
True to a large extent, but it remains the case that we do not know if harmony with planetary cycles could have an evolutionary effect on the earth. How I conceptualise this is that over the extremely long period of evolution, the rhythms of the whole solar system produced a distinct imprint upon the climate of the earth, a source code if you like, that meant that different points of the cycle have different phenotypes. Admittedly the evidence for this is very weak, but it remains coherent as a logic of evolution.
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If you're wanting to form a hypothesis on the influence of gravitational fluctuations on life, the best starting point is not the alignment of celestial bodies, but on an actual measurement of the largest spikes which are also rhythmic.
That has already been done by Frank Brown, a professor of biology in Illinois who did amazing gravitational experiments in the 1950s on rats, mussels and hamsters, proving clearly that each of these organisms have a sense of gravity able to detect the position of the moon with no other sensory inputs.
Here is a summary I wrote of Brown’s work a few years ago
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An extraordinary chapter in The Cosmic Clocks discusses the empirical research of Frank A. Brown Jr., Morrison Professor of Biology at Northwestern University, Illinois. Brown conducted a series of laboratory experiments in which various animals were deprived of any external stimulus to measure the response of their body clocks.

“A rat was kept for months in a closed cage with constant light, temperature and pressure. There was no way for the rat to know if it was night or day, whether the moon was above or below the horizon. When Brown and Terracini recorded the rat’s physical activity, they found clear peaks in activity corresponding to the moon’s position: the rat was more active during the hours in which the moon was below the horizon, and quietest when it was above the horizon… The above experiment has been duplicated and confirmed.” (cited by Gauquelin, p.85, from ‘Exogenous Timing of Rat Spontaneous Activity Periods” Proceedings of the Society of Experimental Biological Medicine, CI, No 3 (1959) 457).

How can this be explained? There is a clear evolutionary adaptive advantage for a rat to be active when the moon is down in order to avoid predators who hunt by sight. Given the lack of sensory stimulus in the experimental conditions, it appears the rat senses the position of the moon in an unknown way – either by a ‘tidal’ sense of the moon’s gravity or some magnetic influence. My postulate is that the rat’s DNA, having evolved within the moon’s constant orbit and having been circled by the moon some fifty billion times since the dawn of life, is attuned to the rhythm of the moon. The alternative hypothesis, that it is solely an internal clock within the rat, is refuted by the next experiments:

“Brown was recording the activity of hamsters… At first the rodents synchronized their activity with the rising and setting of the sun, which was probably their natural rhythm before they had been confined to their cages. Then, suddenly, the 24 hour rhythm changed to a new, slightly longer rhythm, one that lasted 24 hours 50 minutes. This period corresponds exactly to the length of the lunar day… Their pattern of activity switched through the study, first following one and then the other of the two celestial bodies – without their ever knowing the position of either in the darkness of their experimental lodgings.” (cited by Gauquelin, p.85, Propensity for Lunar Periodicity in Hamsters, op cit, CXX (1965) 792)

Here we have a further extraordinary example of how the tides of the ocean caused by the moon also exist within a mammal – and presumably would also exist in humans.

My final example:

“Brown had some live oysters sent in closed, darkened containers from Long Island Sound to his laboratory in Evanston, 1000 miles from the sea… At first the oysters kept to their natural rhythm, opening and closing themselves to the rhythm of the tides washing Long Island Sound. But after about 15 days Brown noticed that a slippage in the rhythm had occurred. The oysters now opened up at the time the tide would have flooded Evanston, had the town been on the seashore – ie when the moon passed over the local meridian. The oysters had abandoned their rhythm tied to actual tides and responded to an exclusively lunar rhythm.” (cited from ‘Persistent Activity Rhythms in the Oyster’, American Journal of Physiology, CLXVII 1954, 510).

These three examples illustrate how animals are adapted to the gravitational rhythms of the moon. Brown notes that “definite hostility met anyone who as much as suggested that one might search for subtle celestial influences” (Gauquelin p. ii). Gauquelin (p86) says Brown offers an explanation that the rhythms are external, with these three experiments taken together showing that internal clocks of the organisms were not sufficient to obtain the observed results.

My hypothesis, to be expanded in a next post, is that similar subtle relationships can be theorized for the planets, based on complex system themes such as turbulence, fractal geometry, attractors and sensitive dependence on initial conditions.


The way I see it is that Brown’s proof of a gravitational sense can be extrapolated to much finer unconscious gravitational sense of longer systemic cycles.
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What I mean is that there should be experiments that are blind to the sky, so to speak.
Yes, that is what Brown did.
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They look at nothing but gravitational fluctuations and any correlating adaptations that may exist.
When all factors are controlled, rodents shift between a 24 hour day and a 25 hour day, wobbling between the lunar and solar days, with no other input but gravity.
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My intuition tells me you'll find no correlations weaker than a certain strength.
The material in my paper is largely below the threshold of observable correlation, although a good example of attempts to find correlations between the cycles of the gas giants and events on earth can be found in Cosmos and Psyche by Richard Tarnas.
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Even then, the adaptations would most likely be in response to tidal movements rather than the gravitational fluctuations themselves.
Rats resting when the moon is up has an adaptive rationale in that predators see by the moon. However, it seems the rats can tell if the moon is up even in closed laboratory conditions. They must sense its gravity.
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There's also the question of whether it's evolutionarily advantageous at all to 'adapt' to gravitational fluctuations.
Every point of variation in an environment can become subject of genetic variation. Planetary alignments are regular repeating points of environmental variation. The compensating factor for their tiny effect is their immense longevity (since before life evolved) and exact regularity (predictable by current methods for thousands of years). Over the longer time frame the planets keep the same patterns with slow drift, so the Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune cycle I describe has definitely been stable for millions of years at least.
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I can't see any advantage.
It is well attested in biology that factors in an ecosystem are inter-related in a complex web of life which is highly sensitive to initial conditions. The planets contribute to the regular gravitational rhythm of complexity on earth. Along the lines of the butterfly effect in chaos theory, we can’t rule out adaptive advantage over the billions of years of microbial life for those organisms which aligned to these small cosmic energies. Although I have to say the evidence is weak. I would like to do a study of planting by the moon when I get my algae factory going. The work has simply not been done in a large scale and systematic way to detect planetary effects, other than Gauquelin’s work which did find major statistical correlations for the main planets and human horoscopes.
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If organisms are looking for synchrony of some sort, lunar gravity stands front and center as the rhythm of choice.
Cosmic rhythms are not chosen but given. Yes the lunar and solar rhythms are immense, but that does not mean other rhythms are nothing.
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I see no advantage to synchronizing with weaker gravitational fluctuations.
In my paper, I suggest that the Great Year follows the same rhythmic cycle as the annual cycle of the seasons in reverse, in a pattern that is directly reinforced by the cycles of the gas giants. This means we are now getting to the end of the Age of Pisces and nearing the dawn of the Age of Aquarius. If we assume the time of Christ is the dawn of the Age of Pisces, then the dawn of the Age of Aquarius is about 140-170 years in the future, given the 2147 year cycle of the Ages.

This can be interpreted as a framework for mythology, especially regarding the shift from the traditional Piscean themes, interpreted as compassionate mystical belief, arguably a spiritual ideal of the last two millennia, towards the emerging Aquarian themes of innovative humanitarian knowledge. These attributes are simply the traditional thematic archetypes for these signs. This conception of a cusp turning point in human identity between Ages seems to me compatible with the inner teachings of the Bible, where as I have shown this stellar framework is very present.

These themes attached to the Ages are an imaginative rendering of the symbols attached to ‘gravitational fluctuations’. I believe the themes themselves are descriptions of monthly divisions within the annual seasonal cycle for Pisces in February-March and Aquarius in January-February. I flag in my paper a research program to investigate this twelve-fold rhythm.
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What would the advantage be?
In the case of the shift through the Ages and through the twelve JSN houses, the advantage as I see it is that sketching a theory of history based on the deep alignment between culture and planetary cycles seems to me a very productive enterprise. I am especially focussed on innovative humanitarian knowledge as a key ethical goal for the planet, with the implicit critique of compassionate mystical belief as a governing theme for an age that is now passing. We see this debate every day in the clash between worldviews based on belief and those based on knowledge. My assessment is that the worldviews based on belief still have the upper hand, but the view of knowledge is slowly emerging towards a cusp point.
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How would it help the selfish gene?
Apart from the human example just given, how I have imagined this in terms of the selfish gene is that there may be slow cycles at the microbial level which track planetary patterns as a structuring framework for the extended phenotype.
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The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps some celestial cycles correlate to solar flares or some other tangible phenomenon, so act as a warning system to hide.
I think planetary effects, if they exist, are far more subtle and subconscious than anything tangible. We see this principle in adaptation all the time, where a subtle difference between two environments allows expression of genetic variation.
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The best way to picture what I'm getting at is to imagine a nonstop racket of raindrops outside your window. The rhythmic falling of one small lone drop of water as it drips repetitively once an hour from a leaf on a tree would go completely unnoticed.
No, that example is wrong. It is correct in orders of magnitude, but wrong in that rain is random while planets are regular. If the raindrop had fallen with precise regularity for four billion years, and if the rest of the rain obeyed a series of exact recurring patterns, then the analogy would hold. But in this case of cosmic order, the regularity of the planetary cycles would mean the single dew drop in the shining sea (by analogy to conjunction cycle) would have a cumulative and hence real signal.
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This is even more the case if we imagine the influence of the moon as a gallon of water splashing rhythmically overtop your full-to-the-brim gutters once every couple seconds.
The moon has orbited the earth about fifty billion times, every time the same, with defined regular patterns against the rest of the solar system.
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I think you're zeroing in on the statistical significance of alignment and ignoring the actual tangible influence this alignment has.
The tangible influence is speculative, but as I explain in my paper, it provides a coherent astronomical framework for the Biblical theory of time. It also explains the temporal structure of the solar system in terms of the centre of mass, which is a real scientific finding.
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We've evolved to be pattern seekers, and this is most definitely a pattern.
The ancient repetitive nature of the cycle of the stars has been the foremost pattern in religion, built deeply into the timing for Easter and Christmas which are both primarily cosmic festivals in their origin and underlying purpose.
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Claiming that this pattern influences us in an evolutionary manner is a separate issue, and suggests your following the trail of bread crumbs in reverse order.
The trail can be followed deductively, formulating the mathematical logic of the structure of time, or inductively, seeking correlations in observation. Both are needed.
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However, there is a physical match between the story of the stars and the story of Christianity, and the question can be asked how far this match is natural and how much is it artificial or cultural.
How would a match between celestial cycles and the bible be natural as opposed to observed then documented? I don't understand what you mean by classifying them as natural here.
Very good point. The question, for me, is whether the concept of the shift from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius is a construction or a discovery. I argue it is primarily a discovery, but one that requires mythic construction. There is a natural ‘spirit of the age’ or zeitgeist which gradually shifts to become more or less amenable to different ways of thinking, so ideas that are before their time simply cannot be understood by others. If the Great Year of the earth has a real cyclic pattern, in terms of the Vedic theory of cycles of light and dark mirroring the daily and annual cycles, then it makes sense to explore the Bible as also reflecting this natural cycle.
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Are you suggesting that these cycles were 'divined' without knowledge of their actual existence, then written into text?
With the Great Year and the Zodiacal Ages, my view is that these were in fact central to ancient mystery cults, but were considered as secret, and so were easily suppressed by Christian bigotry. With the Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune 179 year cycle, this was, I suggest, known simply as the 1/12 fraction of the Age, and as part of the cycle of Yggdrasil, without knowledge that Neptune provided a real physical modulation for it.
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Perhaps god whispered the workings of the heavens into our ancestor’s ears, then they wrote it down, only to then discover that god's word actually corresponded as they observed the heavens? Parsimony applies here.
Yes, we should not multiply unnecessary entities. I am not talking about any imaginary entities, just noting the congruence between the Biblical theory of time and the main actual structures of our solar system.
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The likely explanation is that our ancestors observed how the heavens operate, and littered their text with their findings.
Yes, but this is a very important point regarding the construction of the Bible, in that it appears there was political conflict between those who wished to emphasise a cosmic vision and the historic victors who did not. I suspect that if the politics had been more Gnostic instead of orthodox then the litter of planets through the texts would have been much thicker.
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The helix shape of DNA is the same in geometric terms as the four dimensional space-time model of the solar system, except that the nodes of the planetary helixes are inter-temporal rather than simultaneous.
How is that anything more than analogous? The purpose of an analogy is that there are similarities.
Okay, I just wanted to emphasise that it is a very good analogy which has not previously been studied.
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Explaining the similarities in greater detail does not make the relationship more than an analogy.
Actually, that is not certain. It may be that there is an intrinsic linkage between the helical shape of DNA and the helical shape of the solar system.
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In any case, what would the relationship be? I can't even go out on a limb to guess, there's nothing here but analogous similarities.
This fractal helix cosmology is of course quite speculative. As I noted in my paper, we can similarly speculate that the twelve particles of the carbon nucleus provide a foundation for twelve-fold cycles to appear within carboniferous life. Similarly, but coming from the other direction, the solar system is helical and all life within it is helical, so I apply the old ‘as above so below’ axiom from Thoth and Newton to speculate that this is a prime example of how everything is connected.



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Post Re: The Gas Giant Planets, the Great Year and the Holy City
Damn cyber goblins stealing my posts!!!

The gist of my post was that light is a good zeitgeber because it is either on or off(night or day). The same with tides. With gravity, you still feel the pulls even when they are perpendicular to us. Changes in elevation alone cause variations in gravity that my cancel out celestial bodies which are directly above. Not the moon or sun, of course, but maybe the more distant planets.

The test with the oysters does not show that they are attuned to gravity. Our internal clock is still a clock, and if our environment experiences a radical change outside certain parameters, the zeitgeber takes a while to reset it, if it does at all. Human run on a 25 hour per day internal clock, recalibrated daily by sunlight to 24 hours via some nerve that goes directly to the hypothalamus. It's the optohypothalamic tract or something like that. I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment. The point is, we experience jet lag, and that experience does not mean that sunlight isn't a zeitgeber for us. It merely means the zeitgeber is not the sole factor in our biochronological processes. It's merely a calibration tool for a clock that's already running. If we try to calibrate ourselves 180 degrees from the ordinary, it doesn't work(right away, anyways.) The same goes for oysters.

Also, the galaxy does have a measurable pull in the direction of it's center. We aren't floating off into deep space, are we?



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Damn cyber goblins stealing my posts!!!

The gist of my post was that light is a good zeitgeber because it is either on or off(night or day). The same with tides. With gravity, you still feel the pulls even when they are perpendicular to us. Changes in elevation alone cause variations in gravity that my cancel out celestial bodies which are directly above. Not the moon or sun, of course, but maybe the more distant planets.

The test with the oysters does not show that they are attuned to gravity. Our internal clock is still a clock, and if our environment experiences a radical change outside certain parameters, the zeitgeber takes a while to reset it, if it does at all. Human run on a 25 hour per day internal clock, recalibrated daily by sunlight to 24 hours via some nerve that goes directly to the hypothalamus. It's the optohypothalamic tract or something like that. I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment. The point is, we experience jet lag, and that experience does not mean that sunlight isn't a zeitgeber for us. It merely means the zeitgeber is not the sole factor in our biochronological processes. It's merely a calibration tool for a clock that's already running. If we try to calibrate ourselves 180 degrees from the ordinary, it doesn't work(right away, anyways.) The same goes for oysters.

Also, the galaxy does have a measurable pull in the direction of it's center. We aren't floating off into deep space, are we?


Interbane, I think in your missing post you also argued that a sense of gravity is unlikely. With the oysters, the laboratory in Evanston was cut off from the diurnal cycle of daily light and dark, and they travelled in a sealed dark container, giving the oysters no clue as to the external actual time. Therefore, the resetting of the 'zeitgeber' (German for time giver) had no stimuli except gravity. With gravity alone, the oysters soon recalibrated their opening time to match, not high moon in Long Island Sound, but high moon in Evanston Illinois. The oysters detected the shift of longitude across a full time zone by gravity alone.

The difference between changes in elevation etc as varying gravity compared to the tiny variations caused by the planets, is that terrestrial events do cause much more gravitational effect because they are close, and gravity recedes by the square of the distance, but the far planets are very regular, providing exact repetitive cycles. My paper analyses these regularities with a view to finding adaptive factors, arising from the exact repetition of these cycles over the four billion years of life on earth.

An example is long cycles of the ocean, what I have called micron tides. Against the billion km^3 of water in the ocean, if Neptune does move a cubic kilometre of water each tide, Jupiter and Saturn move even more, 6120 cubic kilometres of ocean per tide for Jupiter and 208 cubic kilometres for Saturn.

These tidal movements on earth follow a slow wave pattern that exactly matches the slow movement of the sun against the solar system centre of mass. Both are caused by the same factors, namely the position and mass of Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune. As noted earlier, the position of Uranus, the fourth biggest planet, acts as a weak spoiler for this main structure of time.

On your other question, the pull of the galactic core is obviously massive enough to keep the whole galaxy together. However, because gravity recedes by the square of the distance, the quantum of gravity on earth provided by the galactic core is miniscule compared to the effect of the gas giants. If no one beats me to it I will tell you the order of magnitude difference in gravity effect on earth of Neptune and the Galactic Core.

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The difference between changes in elevation etc as varying gravity compared to the tiny variations caused by the planets, is that terrestrial events do cause much more gravitational effect because they are close, and gravity recedes by the square of the distance, but the far planets are very regular, providing exact repetitive cycles.


It doesn't matter how much of a constant the far planets provide. What organism could tell in a landscape of varying altitude? More to the point, why would they care? As with the oysters, I see no reason for an organism to care about gravity. If an organism attunes itself to it, it only does so to take advantage of a phenomenon created by the gravitational shift, such as a tide. However, I still do not see how an organism would attune itself to gravity alone. There are simply too many variables. Doesn't the Earth's magnetic field fluctuate with the tides? I would think it far more likely that an organism would attune itself to this, as it has a much higher degree of fidelity. Did the oyster experimentation rule out the influence of Earth's magnetic field? That would be worth looking into.

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Against the billion km^3 of water in the ocean, if Neptune does move a cubic kilometre of water each tide, Jupiter and Saturn move even more, 6120 cubic kilometres of ocean per tide for Jupiter and 208 cubic kilometres for Saturn.


Why would any organism care about such a miniscule change? One micron is not enough. Any organism that relied on such a small change would find itself falling victim to numerous false variables. Rainfall, increased evaporation, tectonic shifts, erosion, etc. Even if some organism was in a rare position to take advantage of such a miniscule shift, that certainly doesn't mean other organisms would also take advantage of it. I think you're stretching your hopes far beyond practicality to find a way in which the orbits of the gas giants affects life on Earth.



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Hi, Interbane!

Sorry, but I decided to drift on by and check out your comments. Call me interested.

Anyway, I’m a bit confused by one of your arguments.

“What organism could tell in a landscape of varying altitude? More to the point, why would they care?”

That’s a lot of meta-thinking for something you call an ‘organism.’ Mind you, you are an organism. Point is – how would a simple organism ‘care’? Or are you affording such an organism with the same personification as many people do their dogs. Just asking.

My feeling is that organisms don’t have the wherewithal to care, which I think is part of your point. To state such an argument is to illicit an emotional response. Emotional responses seldom lead to logical conclusions.

Early organisms on Earth likely (a supposition) were affected by quite a few miniscule changes. Microorganisms took advantage of any environmental conditions that worked. There was no thinking (as far as I can imagine) about it. It’s like meeting the woman you most desire having sex with. You could hardly be expected to think about it. If you did, that would be higher brain function and so hardly indicative of micro-organism ‘thought’.

Coincidently, the orbits of gas giants in the solar system CAN affect life on earth in practical ways. When it comes to gravitational forces and bodies in space, there are a ridiculous number of variables. False variables certainly do arise in the mind, but reality just IS and we adjust some parts of the model to fit it. That is, if we have any wisdom at all.

I realize that this is an ongoing discussion with groovy gravitational equations and all that. But, even so, I’d like for you to clarify your point on organisms having higher brain functions and why this seemed like a good course of debate.

Or were you just being argumentative?



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Hi, Interbane! Sorry, but I decided to drift on by and check out your comments. Call me interested. Anyway, I’m a bit confused by one of your arguments. “What organism could tell in a landscape of varying altitude? More to the point, why would they care?” That’s a lot of meta-thinking for something you call an ‘organism.’ Mind you, you are an organism. Point is – how would a simple organism ‘care’? Or are you affording such an organism with the same personification as many people do their dogs. Just asking. My feeling is that organisms don’t have the wherewithal to care, which I think is part of your point. To state such an argument is to illicit an emotional response. Emotional responses seldom lead to logical conclusions. Early organisms on Earth likely (a supposition) were affected by quite a few miniscule changes. Microorganisms took advantage of any environmental conditions that worked. There was no thinking (as far as I can imagine) about it. It’s like meeting the woman you most desire having sex with. You could hardly be expected to think about it. If you did, that would be higher brain function and so hardly indicative of micro-organism ‘thought’. Coincidently, the orbits of gas giants in the solar system CAN affect life on earth in practical ways. When it comes to gravitational forces and bodies in space, there are a ridiculous number of variables. False variables certainly do arise in the mind, but reality just IS and we adjust some parts of the model to fit it. That is, if we have any wisdom at all. I realize that this is an ongoing discussion with groovy gravitational equations and all that. But, even so, I’d like for you to clarify your point on organisms having higher brain functions and why this seemed like a good course of debate. Or were you just being argumentative?

Hello Odd Greg, thank you very much for joining this thread. The answer to Interbane’s question ‘why should they care?’ is that caring is only tangential. Selective pressures are largely unconscious, acting to shape the direction of evolution at a larger scale than the intentions of individual organisms. Your question about care shows good understanding of the nature of causation and evolution, and how evolution is a function of the possibilities offered by the environment as well as deliberate agency by organisms. Dawkins addresses this problem of agency, namely that it is unclear to what extent we should see conscious intention in nature. Of course he started a big debate over agency in nature with his phrase ‘the selfish gene’, with all the problems of analogy between gene and organism.

Caring is a good example of free conscious intention and agency. Most evolution proceeds without care. However, care is central to human identity, so is obviously at the core of human evolution. As we go down the order of complexity, bees also seem to care for each other, whereas microbes seem robotic and uncaring. Most of the evolution I am describing is over the 3.3 billion years when microbes ruled the earth and laid down the core of our DNA.

What does this say about the gas giants? As I have mentioned before, in chaos theory there is a well known principle of sensitivity to initial conditions, with minor changes accumulating rapidly, for example in weather. Our initial natural conditions include the stable rhythm of the planets, operating as a unitary causal factor surrounding all terrestrial conditions. This possible sensitivity is like a response to the gentle regular dripping of water on to a tray of wet sand, with each individual drip having no discernible effect but over a long period of time the sand will form into patterns which mirror the rhythm of the drips. I have used this image to explore the idea that the solstices and equinoxes reverberate through the year to produce the zodiacal signs by a sort of fractal harmonic resonance.

Neptune is the main outer boundary of the main solar system of the sun and gas giants. Hence Neptune’s action to modulate the centre of mass through its cycles with Jupiter and Saturn is of high interest for the 'initial conditions' of causality in the solar system, especially given the exact harmony between this cycle and the spin wobble of the earth forming the Zodiacal Ages and Great Year. My paper linked in the OP shows this temporal measure of the solar system produces the wave function of the centre of mass, with a clear 179 year pulse directly correlated to the Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune cycle. I obtained and analysed 6000 years of data from NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and found that the 179 year pulse is extremely clear throughout. The only blip is at the BC/AD switch where the absence of a year zero due to bad Christian mathematics gives the period as 180 years for the JPL data on the barycentre from that time. Uranus is too small to have a big effect on the centre of mass compared to the united wave produced by the big three.

I’m just reading Timaeus by Plato, and he gives some excellent ideas to understand this intellectual framework. He defines the stars as the ‘eternal same’ and the solar system as ‘different’, with perceptible difference occurring inside and by reference to the eternal same. This context for thought remains entirely valid, even though we now know that everything is in motion including the stars. At human scale, the galaxy is unchanging while the solar system changes in a precise measurable way.

If you can cope with a small piece of mathematics, Plato says harmonic resonance obtains when A/B = B/C. This ratio applies to my observation that House/Age = Age/Great Year = 1/12. On this model the zodiacal age is the harmonic interaction between the Great Year and the JSN House cycle. This is just physics.



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