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I was watching a news show yesterday (forgot which) where two people were dicussing "gross" TV commercials. There was one about breast feeding being an important heath boost for infants and one about the guy who talks out of the hole in his throat due to smoking.The two people, one man and one woman, were absolutely horrified by the breastfeeding commercial. It shows two pregnant women in a log walking competition. The jist was 'would you take risks before giving birth" and saying that by not breastfeeding, you are taking risks with the child's health after birth. The woman went on a tirade about how the government has no right 'in her blouse' and was disgusted that the government would be promoting breast feeding.Both were in total support of the government speaking out against smoking.The anti-smoking commercial was much more 'gross' than the breastfeeding commercial, IMO. I think both commercials were greatin getting out a message about health though and I cannot see why these two dimwits are so horrified by breastfeeding mothers. It is what they are THERE for people. Grow up! I just really do not get people sometimes. Our priorities are misplaced.There is some sort of stigma against breastfeeding in this society and I think it is just ridiculous. It is the most natural way to feed an infant. Why do we stigmatize such things, yet promote viagra and porn at every turn? Anyone ever happen to be around a mother who, gasp, decides to feed her child in a public place? Look at the morons around you sneer and get annoyed.All my children were breastfed and I must say....sickness is almost non-existent in my kids. So...where do you all stand on this?Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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Breastfeeding is natural, cheap, nutritious, and healthy for the baby...but everything in our culture tells us that we have to be sweet-smelling, un-hairy, un-messy, airbrushed perfection. I'm not surprised that these women were grossed out by it...they're probably also grossed out by their own secretions and 'unwanted' hair. ( what a great word: secretions!)One of the things that really annoys me right now -- the stars 'discovering' pregnancy, and the media treating them as if they were the only women on the planet to ever have children -- is also the thing that I'm quite interested in, and almost pleased with. Suddenly, it is rather sexy to be pregnant (at least in pop culture). I've seen lots of non-famous pregnant bellies proudly displayed in public....Now, if only Angelina Jolie will breastfeed in public, it will become sexy to do it! But I doubt it will happen...she's too busy (rich? famous?) to keep her body producing milk. So the baby-related businesses will win: any gadget that will make a young woman's life easier (and sexier) with a baby will sell...baby bottles to match baby's outfit, diaper bags in trendy designs with matching cellphone caddies -- you name it, it will come. "All beings are the owners of their deeds, the heirs to their deeds." Loricat's Book NookCelebrating the Absurd
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I don't really have a problem with breastfeeding, but it does irk me slightly when women just whip out their breasts in public and feed their babies and walk around and chat as if nothing is going on. I understand that breastmilk is healthier, but it is easy to step into the bathroom or somewhere for fifteen minutes and feed the child without doing in front of the whole world. I don't really intend on having children so my views might be a little harsh.... but I just don't particularly want to see a baby sucking a tit in front of my face. Meh. -Meghan"Are you alright? Yeah you're alright, you're alive!" -Garden State
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The thing is, they should not have to hide to feed their children. We have stigmatized a totally natural thing. It is sad to me.Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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It's not hiding, it's just not whipping out your boobs in public. In the unlikely circumstance that I ever have kids, I would absolutely not be breastfeeding them in public... besides the fact that I don't think unsuspecting others need to see that, but I can't see myself being comfortable doing that. There is also breast pumping... which I cannot imagine to be comfortable (like an infant sucking a nipple feel is waaay comfortable) but allows you to feed your baby breastmilk in public without removing clothing. Nick, you just want to see boobs -Meghan"Are you alright? Yeah you're alright, you're alive!" -Garden State
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Not in the least. We can see boobs just about anywhere we look in our society. It is this mentality, that the breasts are sex objects first and foremost, that makes a mom feeding her child a public nuisance.And anyway...of all the breast feeders I have seen in public, one would have to be actively looking in order to really see anything!Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy PiperEdited by: misterpessimistic  at: 6/20/06 9:16 am
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Quote:It is this mentality, that the breasts are sex objects first and foremost, that makes a mom feeding her child a public nuisance.Mr. P -- I agree. Breasts really only have 1 function, that is to feed a child. If it were to become perfectly normal to breastfeed in public, would breasts lose their sex appeal? Is this the fear? That women's breasts couldn't then be used to sell cars, beer, and stereos to men?And no woman I've ever seen just casually whips out a boob and sticks it in the baby's mouth -- usually there's a discreet blanket involved. Why should a nursing mother go hide in a dank & dirty public toilet to breastfeed? But that said, breast pumps are useful, from what I understand, since they allow the woman to relieve pressure on her body and her time -- with a bottle, the father can take his turn caring for the baby. "All beings are the owners of their deeds, the heirs to their deeds." Loricat's Book NookCelebrating the Absurd
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Taking children that small into public places causes all sorts of problems anyway. It makes it much easier for the child to get into a bad situation, and new parents seem almost entirely oblivious to the comfort of other people. Restaurants, for instance, are not really safe places for small children. Things get dropped, people say things they probably wouldn't say in front of their own children, and the wait staff is usually cruising through the dining room at about 30mph. Beyond which, the last thing two people having a romantic dinner out want to hear is some child wailing like a banshee. Some diners go out specifically to have a night off from the kids. The gist of all this is, breastfeeding would be less of a distraction -- and it is a distraction in public, regardless of whether or not it's gross -- if people weren't taking their kids into certain social arenas.
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It is all about POV. Just because people have kids does not mean they should be sequestered from a fun life. It is arguably THE purpose of life to reproduce, so people who do help maintain the species should not be stigmatized for doing what we are naturally supposed to do. Besides...restaurants have booster seats and highchairs. They are fully aware that children will be coming...and really, the family is where they make their money...bigger tickets.Quote:the last thing two people having a romantic dinner out want to hear is some child wailing like a bansheeAw...well, on the grand scale of things...I will side with the people who have a real hard life and have kids to raise. The last thing I want when I go out with my kids is to have people complain about wanting a romantic dinner. Stay at home then! Works both ways no?As for the wailing...well, that comes down to parenting. I do not appreciate when people let their kids scream all through the meal. There are ways to handle this. But breast feeding is not the same kind of distraction...it is a distraction because people are simpleminded and this society has made the human body a dirty thing...whereas it is a wonderful thing. I do not find it a distraction at all...no more so than those stupid birthday songs they sing to people at restaurants.Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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Nick, I fully agree with you that breastfeeding is a natural and wonderful thing. That still does not mean that it should be done with everyone watching. There are places were it is just not appropriate to breastfeed. I remember I was helping some parents at their kid's fourth birthday party and one of the other mothers there was chilling on the couch breastfeeding her baby. One of the four year olds who was sitting in my lap at the time turned around and asked me why "that lady had her shirt off." And in turning around, she noticed that I had them too and asked me if I had babies sucking on mine. Safe to say, I don't think that's something I should have had to explain to a four year old. -Meghan"Are you alright? Yeah you're alright, you're alive!" -Garden State
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