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Vasilius Konstantinos

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I have been observing the Godscare Forum arguments taking place in a thread called Is God a Myth?. Needless to say I am extremely disappointed with the results of Godscare's rebuttal to the proposed question. So far, all Mr. O'Connor and Mr. Pessimistic have seen is blind faith with no backing which could be said of any belief. I was a little perturbed by the first initial postings. I was trying to understand why Mr. O'Connor was simply stirring the hornet's nest. But if his intention was to stir it and see how well they defend the nest, I do believe he has seen Protestant Christendom defended typically (including everything from the "its just faith" to "you have to experience it to know" responses) which is to no avail.Christianity is this in a nutshell: If you cannot believe in the miracles of Jesus of Nazareth, placing all emphasis on the Resurrection completely, then you are not one.So, I wish to apologize for the behaviour of ignorance. There is a bumper sticker which emphasizes it completely on my behalf: "God Save Me From Your Followers". I am a member of the Greek Orthodox Church. We do not knock on your door; we do not emphasize western evangelization; we do not try strong conversion techniques. We do not even discredit Evolution. We do however believe in the Death and Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth as well as His Divinity.I wish to not argue, defend or attempt to discredit anyone else's belief. There is no point. The original basis for the post at Godscare is unclear, though if it was to show how uneducated most Christians are it was successful. BTW Nice place you guys have here.VK
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Vasilius:Welcome to booktalk. I hope you decide to stick around here. I must say I am dissapointed in the rebuttals at Godscare and I also want to say I was VERY upset that you dropped out of the conversations, as I found your thoughts to be the most, well, thought provoking!I was going to reach out to you and invite you here, but I took your dropping out as a vote of disdain toward Chris and I! I see I was wrong and I do hope you decide to stick around here.I have decided to not push it any further at Godscare...but with me it is hard to just drop out of a discussion.As frustrated as I am at godscare, I do credit Thunder with at least trying...Godscare himself leaves me a bit dry though!Welcome.Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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BTW...if that is a picture of you...MAN you look like Val Kilmer! Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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Thank you, Mr. P, if I may call you that. I have been told I look like a cross between Val Kilmer and Fred Flintstone(6'2" and overweight).I dropped out of the discussion at Godscare simply because it turned into the argument I wished to avoid. Again, as I stated earlier, if you cannot accept the miracle of the Resurrection it is pointless to argue and Atheism prevails. All I intended with my line of questioning was to see where you guys were at and what angle you were coming from. But others quickly jumped in with their twists on arguing their "correctness" and their "experiences" which they of course felt outweigh any direct questions any of you may have asked.To give you a little information about myself, I read a bit. I studied mostly Pseudepigraphal texts, Gnosticism, Early Church history, Classical Greek Philosophy(with a slant) and some to little notes on modernist and postmodernist thinkers. I enjoy Ayn Rand. I struggle with Victor Pelevin and David Kelley but I do understand their notions. I am still trying to study Objectivism and Neo-Objectivism.VK
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Ah! Look for the "Favorite Philosopher" thread in this same forum...an Ayn Rand Discussion has broken out there!Hope you stick around here. Things can get out of hand here to (shhesh, just look at some of my posts!) but we are a good bunch overall.Mr. P. (of course you can call me that). The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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VKPeriodically I visit other forums in search of bright and articulate people to drag back here to BookTalk. The task seems impossible at times, but then here you are! I suppose sometimes it works.My biggest problem is I get irritable with weak arguments. I was just discussing this with my father the other night and he recognizes this in me too. I guess he shares a bit of the same problem. Poor critical thinking skills seem to be the norm, not just on the Internet, but in the general population as a whole. I admire people like Socrates who could listen patiently to complete nonsense, and then reply in such a sophisticated fashion as to educate the audience without offending. But alas, I'm no Socrates and am more like a bull in a china shop. When I hear such crap as I heard on Godscareing I start to twitch with irritation. It is such a psychological challenge to KNOW that every person contributing to that thread is so lost and confused, but happens to be in the majority on that forum, that I am simply unable to refrain from screaming back at them. The problem is nothing is accomplished with screaming or tantrums, but I just can't handle what I consider to be childish arguments.I'm MUCH better at in-person and face-to-face debates. Writing is a major weakness of mine, but I sure give it my all. The problem on forums is that people throw these huge posts at their opponent that are riddled with idiotic statements and logical fallacies. It is next to impossible to respond in any coherent fashion, without writing a friggin novel.In a real-life debate I would stop my opponent dead in their tracks the moment they use a fallacy and not let them dodge and weave and blow smoke. Moderated debates are even more fun, but these are few and far between for me these days.I hope you stick around. The majority of members here are very bright and articulate, but we sure don't all view life the same way. We get into battle after battle on our forums, so I encounter the same frustrations right here in my own community.We desperately need more Objectivists. I'm thoroughly convinced that none of the people on this site advocating socialism understand capitalism one iota. But it is literally me against an army of socialists, and I just don't have the time to argue endlessly. Having some support would be nice.
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Thank you, gentlemen!Surveying the proper here has shown me some argumentative threads! LOL I do not mind a good argument now and then, but I tire of the same ones over and over again. I posted at the Godscare forums a few times because there were some heated discussions regarding one of my internet associates who used to go there when he was much younger(he's a Libertarian and a non-schola-scripturist to boot) and was canned from the site for no fitting into the norm. I went over there to see what the commotion was about and found two interesting posters(they never responded to your thread for the same reasons I stopped even asking questions). I was not a regular there but I would surf in just to see something different. The sad thing is I know I may get criticized for having this discussion over here and talking with you guys on a serious level.I hate witch-hunts. I love good debates. I am a master of neither.Ayn Rand, eh? LOLVK
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I must say that my sojourn into the Godscare forum has made me realize that the theists we have here are a...uh...godsend!It was very therapeutic.Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.Once you perceive the irrevocable truth, you can no longer justify the irrational denial. - Mr. P.The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper
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Amen brother. I completely agree.
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