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Don’t you feel helpless?

I just sit and watch and wonder. At least lockdown is peaceful!
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Penelope wrote:Don’t you feel helpless?

I just sit and watch and wonder. At least lockdown is peaceful!
Hi, Penelope. Great to hear from you. I wasn't even thinking in terms of people outside the U.S. watching our catfight (is that unfair to cats?). But I cringe to think of the further damage to our reputation that the spectacle caused.
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I was reminded of two little boys on a playground... "Did so!" "Did not!" "Step over that line!" "I double-dog dare ya!"
While I have no idea who "won" the debate, I know who lost - the American voter.

Actually looking forward to the vice-presidential debate.
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Robert Tulip wrote:Trump deliberately and constantly spoke over Biden, seemingly to urge voters to hold the Democrats in contempt and encourage them not to listen to what Biden has to say. But Trump failed in his effort to rattle Biden. Also the squabbling tactic may help to justify a Trump pullout of the next debates. Trump can see the debates won't help him since Joe performed strongly. Trump will say it was just a dogfight, even though that was his fault.
I didn't see it as a strong performance by Biden, but the circumstances were difficult. I think that Biden's words come across better seen in print today, because he's not a strong speaker. Biden hung in there, but to me he did seem rattled at times. He missed a number of opportunities to score points directly against what Trump had claimed, too often relying on prepared thoughts rather than effectively parrying Trump. He did, also, let himself be goaded into returning insults and joined in interruption at times. One never really knows, but I suspect almost any of Biden's primary opponents would have managed Trump better than Joe did. Still, I think many viewers will make allowances for Biden faltering in the face of such a barrage of bullying, interruption, and false or ridiculous charges.

Trump will be back. He thinks all of his performances are great, so he'll want his encores.
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DWill wrote:
Robert Tulip wrote:Trump deliberately and constantly spoke over Biden, seemingly to urge voters to hold the Democrats in contempt and encourage them not to listen to what Biden has to say. But Trump failed in his effort to rattle Biden. Also the squabbling tactic may help to justify a Trump pullout of the next debates. Trump can see the debates won't help him since Joe performed strongly. Trump will say it was just a dogfight, even though that was his fault.
I didn't see it as a strong performance by Biden, but the circumstances were difficult. I think that Biden's words come across better seen in print today, because he's not a strong speaker. Biden hung in there, but to me he did seem rattled at times. He missed a number of opportunities to score points directly against what Trump had claimed, too often relying on prepared thoughts rather than effectively parrying Trump. He did, also, let himself be goaded into returning insults and joined in interruption at times. One never really knows, but I suspect almost any of Biden's primary opponents would have managed Trump better than Joe did. Still, I think many viewers will make allowances for Biden faltering in the face of such a barrage of bullying, interruption, and false or ridiculous charges.

Trump will be back. He thinks all of his performances are great, so he'll want his encores.

Are you (or anyone here, for that matter) even curious about fact checking Biden, or is the disdain for Trump so strong that fact checking is no longer relevant?
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I'm interested in hearing the results of a fact-check, yes. There may be facts & figures Biden got wrong. PBS indicated one inaccuracy in violent crime statistics he cited. I'll check out what's available.
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