Oh come on! "He even wrote a book?" Yes, lets all take the good word from one book and believe it all.
Suzanne (Moderator?),
That quote above is an example of what is known as “hyperbole”.
Here is a definition of that word:
extravagant exaggeration (as “mile-high ice-cream cones”)
I did not just fall off the tuna boat. My experience in forums has lasted over 10 years, including public forums while running for congress.
Hyperbole is on the list used by political hacks; people who use falsehood to gain power at the expense of their targeted victims. In on-line forums such people are accurately labeled as trolls.
Hyperbole, Straw-Man constructions, projection, transference, and Parthian Shots, to name a few, are on the same list.
Who ever claimed that someone, anyone, must “believe it all”? Where is this person who claims such absolute nonsense? Is this person you?
Has Suzanne the moderator claimed that because someone wrote a book, now, having read the book, the reader should “believe it all”, or is there an implication occurring here, where someone other than Suzanne the moderator is being accused of making such a claim; and if so who is the person being targeted with this supposed belief in absolute belief?
Is the target me?
Why am I the target? Is it something I wrote?
Did I write something that could cause someone else to believe that I have this absolute belief in what Lindsay Williams’s claims, and that everyone should have the same absolute belief according to me?
Why not ask me? Would that defeat the purpose of this Man of Straw?
Now I’m inspired to read on; but not for want of learning something new. That “belief” has vanished in this present effort.
If you prefer to only consider the words and speculations from Lindsay Williams and choose to dismiss the comments and opinions of others, please stop your tirade.
Can I assume that the question is directed at me; since the quote above that question is authored by me? I am guilty of a “tirade” now.
Here is a definition of that inflammatory word:
Tirade
: a protracted speech usually marked by intemperate, vituperative, or harshly censorious language
Well, I see why you might have made it to the position of moderator.
I’m being censored by you, as you inflame; to get me to shut up, or to get me to stoop to your level, and then have both of us thrown out?
What exactly have I written that is intemperate, vituperative, or an example of a tirade? I am curious, I’d like to know, and I prefer not to repeat such an error, please help me. Please help me, please.
Can I be more sincere? I can pay you to help me avoid repeating another example of a tirade. How much do you charge for such help, perhaps I can afford the cost of your price? I do want to avoid producing examples of “tirades”.
What is it costing me now, for your help?
Does the text above constitute a tirade - too? At what point does my writing require your approval? What exactly constitutes a tirade? How can I know what you want stopped?
Am I really “dismissing” what other people write, or am I challenging the text written by other's for accuracy, validity, meaning, understanding, etc. – according to you?
You quoted words of mine. Was it the reference to “collateral damage”; is that an example of a tirade? Can I show you pictures of “collateral damage”, is that more or less of a tirade? Is “tirade” an accurate word, or have you chosen a word that causes “collateral damage”?
Where did this come from?
That came from me. I wrote that, because I write things like that. That is what I write. That came from me. I didn’t quote anyone. I wrote it. That is where that came from. Why ask, isn’t the answer obvious? I wrote something published, not for pay, but it was published; on the origin of thought - is that what you mean to ask?
Please do not put words into the mouths of members.
Who put words in the mouths of “members”? If a shoe doesn’t fit; why would anyone wear the shoe? If I don’t ask if the shoe fits anyone, I won’t know if anyone is wearing the shoe. If you prefer to have specific questions censored, never asked, ever, well then: please list them, and then we will both know exactly what you don’t want asked?
“Oh, Joe, but the milk plant was “collateral damage”, and you are now obviously an anti-Semite and a conspiracy theorist so anything you say is meaningless.”
I didn’t invent the practice of creating imaginary dialogue, and I use that tool often in my work on forums. Sometimes I write arguments in dialogue that go on for 1000 words. My intent is not to place words onto anyone other than an imaginary, fictional, character. It isn’t a novel thing to do, it does covey meaning.
Is that an example of a “tirade” to you?
I need to know these things; since I am ignorant concerning what you think is a tirade. You may have chosen your word hastily?
Your remark about anti-Semitism, and the implication that someone here has said this, or even thought it is truly offensive!
What is “truly offensive”? Consider, please, the possibility that your lack of specifics leaves way to much room for error on my part concerning this specific point.
What is “truly offensive”?
I think that bombing, torturing, and mass murdering innocent men, women, children, babies, pregnant women, old people, teenagers, and honest productive, hard working, peaceful human beings – for profit - is truly offensive, so offensive that I can’t look at the pictures. Can you?
Are you associating me with the dirty deeds done by others for some reason? I am not torturing and mass murdering here, I’m writing text. Text worthy of exclamation points, apparently.
If a member has said this to you I would like to know. If this is part of your tirade, it has to stop!
What?
This:
“Oh, Joe, but the milk plant was “collateral damage”, and you are now obviously an anti-Semite and a conspiracy theorist so anything you say is meaningless.”
Is that an example of a tirade?
Which words exemplify a “tirade”?
I’ll stop when you can inform me of the boundaries here, perhaps I can submit my work to you and have you black out the parts that constitute a tirade?
The next thing that happens here, if things proceed in customary fashion, is that the person using hyperbole to construct a Straw-Man, targeting me as being someone I am not, someone who “believes everything” written by someone else, after being blamed for authoring “tirades”, the next step is to blame me for my defense, to claim that my defense (I didn’t, and don’t, condone absolute belief in words written by Lindsay Williams, and I have yet to know exactly what a “tirade” is according to my potential censor), the next step is to find me guilty of picking on the person attacking me with unjustified, false, and misleading text – aimed at me personally.
I am guilty of a very aggressive defense; which is something I have learned to sharpen over the years, because it nips trolling in the bud.
If the subject matter, oil, is divorced from the subject of such things as Zionism, then the whole picture won’t be whole, it will be missing specific pieces of the puzzle, according to my rational thought process.
If the forum rules state that the subject of Zionism must be kept off the tables; then I failed to read that rule.
If I can be helped, in my capacity as a forum member, is the use of falsehood against me going to help me?
I did not claim that Lindsay Williams can be, let alone should be, “believed” – absolutely.
I did not commit the tortures and murders that are so very offensive; so why blame me for them – if that is the intended inference here?
I didn’t intend to suggest that any specific person, any “member”, is capable of speaking the words spoken by my fictional characterizations; rather: people are capable of speaking those words, real people, in my experience, it is possible, and it is a very important part of the subject matter, which is power (oil power, and the power controlling it).
So now the “discussion” has opened up some; where will it go from here?