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Chris OConnor in Defence wrote:
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I was trying to make the point that even with all of our understanding and technology, we can't make even the simplist of organs.


You're calling this a point? How does this qualify as a point? A point typically serves a purpose such as supporting some sort of argument. Your point doesn't do that does it? Kind of pointless, huh?


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That being the case, how could random combinations produce complex mechnisms even with eons of time?


Read a book on evolution. It's in there.


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I saw an interview with Mr. Dawkins once where he was trying to explain how live started on earth. At one point he speculated that aliens had seeded it here. Doesn't that just substitute a god for God?


No. It sure doesn't. Not even close.

First of all Dawkins wasn't trying to explain how life started on our planet because Dawkins doesn't know how life started. Dawkins was presenting one theory out of many theories. It's called transpermia. And the theory doesn't state that aliens seeded life here. It states that life could have hitched a ride on a piece of rock that was blasted into space by massive impacts on other planets.

Is this a rational theory? Extremely rational. Just last month we found amino acids, the building blocks of life, on a meteorite that smashed into our planet. Science is a beautiful thing. Gives me goosebumps sometimes. Other times it gives me headaches as I try to grasp various concepts. But imagine how cool it would be if life developed throughout the cosmos and billions of years ago it arrived here as a stowaway on a comet or meteor. No God or gods involved. No magic or hocus pocus. Just good science. Pretty cool, eh?

Yes, there are people that "speculate" that life could have been brought to our planet by alien beings explicitly to seed our planet with the foundations of life. Then, over billions of years, they sat back and remotely watched this seed evolve from simple organisms to complex organisms that actually are only recently starting to say to themselves, "Hey, I wonder if an alien brought life to Earth." Also a cool theory (or hypothesis) that doesn't require magic or leaps of faith.


Definately agreed. 5 Stars Chris!

Science and Heaven have conflicted with each other ever since we created religion. Religion, in itself, tends to fight with itself. When you take religion and science, and try to make sense of them being both what we call "real", does it work? NO. Religion does not have the grasp on life as we know it that science does.

Science is the relative theory on how the world works and acts. A lot of these things have been proven. Science continues to evolve into things like solids, liquids and gasses; mother earth, the sun and all the planets around us; everything that we know has some science in it.

Religion is another story.

Religion is like fairytales and fables. You don't know if it's true, but it seems to place a purpose and you are tempted to believe in certain kinds of it. So, that said, can we really be positive that religious events and people really, truly exist? Is there any solid evidence, like such in science, that can prove that supernatural and unrealistic things have occured in this universe?

No.

Ill leave you to do the math.


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Stahrwe, it's rather clear you're looking for excuses to not read The Selfish Gene. I didn't really expect you to.



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Chris OConnor wrote:
Stahrwe, it's rather clear you're looking for excuses to not read The Selfish Gene. I didn't really expect you to.


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That's definately true. People tend to attempt averting to different topics when they feel they are being cornered by their antagonists on a topic.

Stahwe, give it up! I think it's really clear now that no one is going to agree on doing a cover-to-cover discussion on the Bible. Even the Founder of BookTalk.org is against you!


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The Selfish Gene has overwhelmingly positive reviews on Amazon. I am reading it now and finding it an excellent read. However, you might want to start with Why Darwin Matters by Michael Shermer which addresses Intelligent Design quite a lot. Also, Bully for Brontosaurus or The Panda's Thumb by Stephen Jay Gould, and Darwin's Dangerous Idea by Dennett. And Dawkins' new one coming out Sept. 22, The Greatest Show on Earth which looks like it might be good for someone who is skeptical of evolution.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Darwin-Matter ... 665&sr=1-5

http://www.amazon.com/Bully-Brontosauru ... 636&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Pandas-Thumb-Refl ... 038&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Dangerous ... 712&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Ear ... 305&sr=1-2


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Lol this is not a place to discuss Dawkins'. This thread should be locked, btw. It isnt getting anywhere.


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I'm not against stahrwe at all. I just don't think his idea is good for BookTalk.org. But this thread is fine. We don't delete threads, as a general rule, unless they are breaking rules or causing damage to the community. His idea was legit, but it won't work for BookTalk.org.



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Chris OConnor wrote:
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Even the Founder of BookTalk.org is against you!


I'm not against stahrwe at all. I just don't think his idea is good for BookTalk.org. But this thread is fine. We don't delete threads, as a general rule, unless they are breaking rules or causing damage to the community. His idea was legit, but it won't work for BookTalk.org.


True.


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I see this thread is pretty much defunct, but I''ll just make this observation assuming it hasn't already been made:

The request to discuss the Bible was at least posted to the correct forum section. This IS the Fiction section afterall.


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Bart wrote:
I see this thread is pretty much defunct.


No kidding XD


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