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Many assert that Q is a military operation. Indeed, some military people are firm believers or appear to be. Michael Flynn and his son are examples. Some believe Q is a CIA spook named Robert David Steele who talks like Alex Jones on a bad day. To Steele, Covid-19 is a hoax, Sandy Hook was a hoax pulled off with the help of “crisis actors,” the Boston bombing was a hoax perpetrated by FEMA as a dry run to see if they could search places door-to-door without a warrant, the raid on Osama bin-Laden was “a false flag” for “Obama’s reelection theater.” He believes that Barack Obama, Leon Panetta (CIA director under Obama), Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, Joe Biden, James Comey and a host of others should all be executed. “The list is long,” he laughs. He further stated that JFK, Jr. and his wife are both still alive and faked their deaths to escape from Mossad who are apparently under contract by Hillary Clinton to kill Kennedy because she could never win any office in New York that he was also running for. Steele expressed admiration for lawyer Sydney Powell whose “Kraken” strategy to overturn the 2020 presidential election and give it to Donald Trump failed spectacularly and was thoroughly discredited. Steele called QAnon “the single greatest information operation in the history of humanity.” Steele believes that Flynn, who was pardoned from prison by Trump in December 2020, should be director of the CIA. Steele is convinced that children are sexually abused but also ritually tortured to produce adrenochrome in their blood which the deep state actors consume in order to stay young and virile.

All of Steele’s talking points are also standard QAnon talking points but he was spouting them about a year before the Q began his “Q-drops” on 4chan. While Steele does not identify himself as Q, he claims to know many of the secret players in the Q operation and states that QAnon has been in the planning for years. Steele states that rather than worry about who Q is, we should rather be concerned about “The Great Awakening” which he says is when the People finally realize that if they do not govern themselves then they will end up slaves. The problem with this is that those Americans who identify themselves as part of QAnon have shown no interest in governing themselves but rather they want to be governed by Donald Trump. They are the same small government phonies who only want government out of their lives when the president is a democrat. When the president is republican, they want him to use every last vestige of his executive power to force their self-approved changes (outlawing abortion and gay marriage, etc.) over the entire country and on every American citizen. When Donald Trump unleashed federal law enforcement officers (little more than uniformed baton-wielding “jack-booted thugs”) on protesters in places as Portland and Kenosha in 2020, the small-government crowd and the NRA conveniently forgot to protest this blatant example of the federal government overstepping its boundaries beating people indiscriminately and carting them off to prison. The very scenario the NRA had railed about for years. Quite suddenly, they were all for it.



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Steele stated that there are 12 people involved in the running of QAnon and five people who write the posts or Q-drops. He virtually always mentions Q and Michael Flynn in the same breath. When asked about his possible association with Thomas Schoenberg whom Manny Chavez claimed to work for in the Cicada hacking group, Steele instead replied that he would not talk about that individual and abruptly ended the interview.

While Pizzagate is not QAnon, strictly speaking, QAnon has coopted Pizzagate. One might call Pizzagate the forerunner of QAnon—particularly in the idea that the aristocrats of the world are running a huge child-trafficking operation and engaging in the cannibalizing of children. This particular angle has its roots in Europe since at least medieval times when Christians accused Jews of that very crime e.g. Jews abduct Christian children before a given Jewish holiday and then sacrifice and eat them. There may be a more recent source however. The 2014 book, Cannibalism, Blood Drinking & High-Adept Satanism by Kerth Barker. The book is right up the alley of QAnon. Barker is a devout Christian who believes in the illuminati and a pervasive network of rich Satanists. He makes a lot of unfounded claims such as:

“Although they may not openly identify themselves as Satanists, the Skeptics movement and Transhumanism have their roots in Satanism. The atheistic rhetoric of the Skeptics movement sounds similar to Atheistic Satanism, and this is not a coincidence. The Transhumanists wish to use computers, robotics and genetic engineering to create a new species that will displace humanity; Julian Huxley, who founded the Transhumanist movement, was a member of a Luciferian secret society.”



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There is, of course, no evidence that skeptics or transhumanists are, in any way, connected to Satanism nor that Huxley, an evolutionary biologist of great renown in the middle of the 20th century, belonged to any Luciferian secret society. But this is the stuff of which QAnon is made. That and Christianity. QAnon is largely perpetuated among the general population as a Christian conspiracy as virtually all rightwing conspiracies are. The following Q message demonstrates:

It is our hope that this message reaches enough people to make a meaningful impact. We cannot yet telegraph this message through normal methods for reasons I’m sure everyone here can understand. Follow the questions from the previous thread(s) and remain calm, the primary targets are within DC and remain at the top (on both sides). The spill over in the streets will be quickly shut down. Look for more false flags — stay alert, be vigilant, and above all, please pray.

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Love is patient, love is kind.”

God bless my fellow Americans

4,10,20


If the people behind the Q phenomenon are not Christians, they at least understand how important it is to the demographic that they pedal this propaganda to.



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 Re: The Origins of QAnon (?)
Good stuff. Hope I'm not getting repetitive / boring, but here goes...
  1. As to the origins of QAnon, the HBO documentary probably nailed it down to Ron Watkins, the longtime administrator of the 8kun message board as linked most recently by Mr. Marks.
  2. That is no longer relevant as Q has not posted anything since 12/8/20. The direction of QAnon is now decided by a mob.
  3. A very sizeable mob. QAnon has become more popular in America than Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism combined as posted earlier.
  4. The QAnon religion appears to be convinced that Trump will be installed as POTUS in August of 2021.
  5. FWIW, I predicted violence around 1/6/2020 several weeks in advance and now fear it may happen again in September once this new religion realizes # 4 did not happen as prophesized by themselves.



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The timing of this Trump Presidential Installation is becoming more clear. Mike Lindell is hosting a summit on 8/10 - 8/12/21 where he promises to provide irrefutable proof of massive election fraud. He has been promising that for over 6 months.
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Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow, announced his Cyber Symposium on election fraud in the 2020 Election is being held in the Republican stronghold of Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Lindell promises his Cyber Symposium will be the definitive answer to election fraud. Cybersecurity experts from at least 6 other countries will attend the August 10-12 event. Lindell firmly believes that Trump will be reinstated as president via one of three legal avenues.

7/6/21
https://www.newstrail.com/mike-lindells ... oux-falls/

Lindell previously stated Trump would be reinstated in August. Then he backed off briefly, stating it might happen in September. But now Lindell is so confident in his symposium that he predicts Trump will be reinstated the very next day!
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MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell claims that by the morning of Friday, 13 August, Mr Trump will be president again and it "will be the talk of the world".

7/6/21
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 79276.html

=> Beware of increased violence starting 8/14/21.
Safe bet: After yet another massive failed prediction, QAnon will continue to evolve. :P



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It's funny how fruitcakes as Lindell are predicting August when the GOP has already released their plan to get Trump back in in the White House: they are banking that the 2022 midterms will go heavily republican and they will win back the House. Nancy Pelosi will then be ousted and Trump will be installed as Speaker. Then somehow, Biden and Harris will be removed from office and Trump will be president again. That can't happen by August. If Trump becomes acting president, however, and serves, say, 2 more years until the next election, could Trump run again? A president can only serve two 4-year terms, right? The answer is yes. Trump could run for president in 2024 after becoming acting president in 2022 and still serve one more 4-year term. The 22nd amendment caps the total years one person can serve as president at 10 so Trump's 2-year stint as acting president won't count against him.

A lot of pundits are saying this might actually work because the midterms will work against the democrats. What it works toward is keep QAnon interested. When Trump doesn't become president in August, they will automatically fall back to this plan B of taking the midterms and installing Trump as the Speaker. Neither plan has much chance of working. Americans are done with Trump. It's time to move on. The republicans so hopelessly enslaved to Trump that they keep looking back to 2016 is very unlikely to work. But, of course, that means nothing to QAnon.



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Ay the risk of running this thread off the rails: I can not in any way imaginable agree that some how FPSfB’s will be installed as PODUS or re-elected PODUS. 81 plus million people in 2020 voted “No Way” All the current crap coming out of the media and the national capital region is little more than the remnants of a hard nights fuck. We are witnessing the hang over residue of a global debauch. Qanon, apexed on the 6th of January 2021, their silence since the end of last year demonstrates as much.
I applaud DB for the much needed information of the origins of Q but I also am pragmatic. The 2022 election cycle is going to be very important, if we are going to continue the work of eliminating the bogus problem of Q and the right wing libertarians in general. The struggle continues,the arena of ideas has been polluted so badly by the right that they are literally attacking their own. This circular firing squad is a good thing.
Covid 19 and the newest variants are dragging progress down. Covid was the downfall of FPSfB’s, Covid may well be the issue that brings these shit for brains libertarians back into a majority in the House and Senate. I have my doubts about that but one never can tell.
There is a strength that comes with ignorance, it is brut force and it could be more dangerous than what we witnessed this past January.
Q is a pansy’s version of something nefarious. They are not operating from some intimidation modality like for instance the KKK or White Natiionalist, Oath Keepers, 3 percenters, or perhaps even the Moorish Science Temple. In general Q is like an apparition that moves within these groups and among people who may be repulsed by the groups. The question then is... What do they all have in common?.
The answer is Libertarianism. That’s their common cause.
Uninhibited laissez-faire, the defunding of government in favor of self centered consumerism, in short a world of chaos, that’s what 75 million Americans voted for in 2020.
Q has some responsibility to bear for that. Their true identities must be rooted out and they must be punished.
I love cancel culture, it is the penultimate of the market place of ideas.



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I had heard of the plan DB Roy mentioned to appoint Trump as speaker of the house, but didn't realize there are follow on steps to get him to the Presidency. More detailed plans are starting to emerge. Here's a card that was circulated at CPAC last weekend.

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This is quite laughable especially the fact that they think it can happen in a matter of a few days. I like this clumsy attempt to sound sophisticated, "whereby rendering all acts of said imposters, while in office, null and void, and of no effect!" :x I don't think anyone believes this junk except mentally disturbed individuals or members of the cult. Again, expect violence starting 8/14/2021.

I don't think Taylor is correct about Libertarianism. The root problem is Authoritarianism. The far right wing has been exposed as holding no principles other than loyalty to Trump. Take supporting the police for instance. Right wingers attacked police in Seattle because they were preventing them from attacking Antifa. During the Jan 6 riot the police were viciously attacked, shouted down as traitors, etc. No, the far right does not want liberty, which could allow criticism of Trump; they actually crave wielding destructive power over others.



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I like how they'll just flip the black caucus against the democrats. Really? Just like that, eh? Then they will impeach Biden and Harris for rigging the election!! Good luck with that! Then there is the tiny matter of installing Trump as Speaker because I'll guarantee that there are plenty of other republicans in Congress salivating for that role and they aren't going to just give in to Trump no matter what they might be saying now. Finally, imagine Trump as Speaker. I mean, REALLY, imagine Trump as Speaker!!



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No, can't imagine that. Biden and Harris would have to govern from a hidden bunker to prevent the 3rd in line from ascending. Consider Pence feared the Secret Service during the 1/6 riot.



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This is a little off-topic, but relevant. In today's NY Times, Michelle Goldberg takes on the QAnon phenomenon (as well as authoritarian craziness in general) from the demand side, rather than the supply side. She is asking, "Who goes for this stuff?" rather than "Who produces it?" I was surprised to find, in my brief Google search for this article, that the theme has been in circulation for at least a year, and there are a number of sources who have already picked up on Goldberg's comment to build on it. One day response time is pretty quick even for a Times opinion piece.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/opin ... iness.html
(paywall gives exemption for a few articles per month)

The part I found most intriguing was analysis based on Hannah Arendt's "Origins of Totalitarianism" that confirms a strong correlation between individuals being disconnected from others and those individuals being susceptible to authoritarian themes and bizarre conspiracy theories. Of course it could be causation in the opposite direction (which Goldberg does not factor in). For example, a person who is a nasty piece of work in general might, as a result, be alienated from fellow humans and also be a naturally hostile authoritarian.



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I'm reading a book published in 1925 called The Man Nobody Knows by Bruce Barton. It was a recasting of Jesus. By the time the 20s hit, the U.S. and Europe had been through some wars and people were war-weary. Prior to the wars, evangelical Christians and fundamentalists (not quite the same thing), had cast Jesus as hyper-masculine. Men held the power and Jesus had to be manly. He was a warrior, a guy who came down to earth bearing a sword and ready to spill blood and kick ass. Women hold no power. They are help-meets and baby-makers who do the bidding of men. Men are the leaders and the warriors. But after these wars, people were tired of a warrior-Jesus.

So, Barton wrote this book that recast Jesus as--ta-da!--a businessman and a super deal-maker, a great teacher and a born leader! And he was masculine--make no mistake! He was he-man who didn't waste time arguing about bullshit. He had work to do and, by God, he was gonna do it! He could read people without error. No one could stand in his way. Not even Satan. He could amass great wealth and was a great builder having learned his craft in his father's carpenter shop which he ran (of course). He got things done! He was a great organizer because of his charisma and his great magnetism. With it, he cut down his enemies. They simply could not stand up to him. He was good at everything he tried. And he was no physical weakling--he had muscles like "iron" and that was how he overturned the tables and drove out the money-lenders for the temple. None dared stop him because he was powerful both physically and mentally.

This book became a favorite of the evangelicals of that time even though behind it all, they still longed for the vengeful warrior he-man. Eventually, the book was forgotten but something of it had seeped into the DNA of Christian evangelism. They saw their own pastors and reverends in the same light--powerful men who overwhelmed their enemies with awe and fearlessness. They were rich because nothing could be denied them. When they spoke, you jumped.

So, we can see that when Trump came along, he fit this view of Jesus to the evangelicals and the leaders of these flocks willingly played the part of John the Baptist: "Here comes One of whom I am not fit to tie his shoes. Behold the true leader who takes away the sins of the world!" Of course, all the sins of the world were brought by liberals, homos, atheists and democrats (aka communists). When Trump says he will drain the swamp, he spoke of our society. He has come to kick some ass.

So, when you think that they have replaced Jesus Christ with Trump, to them, Jesus Christ IS Trump and vice-versa. He is the businessman, the great builder, the supreme organizer and the unparalleled deal-maker. He has come to rid society of gays and abortion and non-whites. He has come to transform America into the New Promised Land. He speaks fearlessly and says what he means and means what he says and all of Satan's children despise him for it! He exposes and lays bare their lies and hypocrisy. He has forsaken riches to help his people--white, Christian people. The TRUE Christians. The weary old saints that have patiently waited. I used the term "weary old saints" because these people use precisely that exact term to describe themselves.

To them, Trump has come to lift this tremendous burden off their shoulders and carry it himself. So, now you know why Trump can do no wrong in their eyes. Everything he does is ordained. All the signs they look for, he has fulfilled in their eyes. Nothing you or I say makes a bit of difference to them. We are weaklings, the offspring of Satan. They cleared the path and now Christ will begin his reign.

Yes, it's utterly insane but they believe it. They live by signs and Trump is the sign. He speaks the truth that you and I can't stand to hear. That's how they see it. So understand their anger. He is Christ and is supposed to reign and somehow, we stole it from him and there will be hell to pay for it! This will not go unpunished!

Now, you could ask that if Trump is so great, how could be weakling Satanists have so easily defeated him with a non-existent pestilence? Well, thinking is obviously not their strong suit. But we must be vigilant because we haven't heard the last of this. We will pay for what we've done to their Supreme Leader. He was meant to rule and, by God, he WILL rule again!!



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Harry Marks wrote:
This is a little off-topic, but relevant. In today's NY Times, Michelle Goldberg takes on the QAnon phenomenon (as well as authoritarian craziness in general) from the demand side, rather than the supply side. She is asking, "Who goes for this stuff?" rather than "Who produces it?" I was surprised to find, in my brief Google search for this article, that the theme has been in circulation for at least a year, and there are a number of sources who have already picked up on Goldberg's comment to build on it. One day response time is pretty quick even for a Times opinion piece.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/opin ... iness.html
(paywall gives exemption for a few articles per month)

The part I found most intriguing was analysis based on Hannah Arendt's "Origins of Totalitarianism" that confirms a strong correlation between individuals being disconnected from others and those individuals being susceptible to authoritarian themes and bizarre conspiracy theories. Of course it could be causation in the opposite direction (which Goldberg does not factor in). For example, a person who is a nasty piece of work in general might, as a result, be alienated from fellow humans and also be a naturally hostile authoritarian.

I always felt that Trump responded to demand from his base, sensing the opportunity to catch fire politically. That's even obvious when you consider him switching parties six or seven times. I can't recall him asking anything of his people that they might not have been inclined to do without influence. He could have capitalized on one of his only accomplishments--helping speed the development of the covid vaccine--by exhorting his voters to get vaccinated, but that would have meant risking disappointing them. He did say once that everyone should be vaccinated, but it was a very weak effort, unlike his summoning them to converge on the capital for a demonstration that "will be wild." That was simply encouraging the very willing.



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