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DWill wrote:It's encouraging in a certain way that in this age of the internet, a book still has power. There is some significance that print between covers still seems to have, vs. information available in the huge welter of the internet. But bringing up the comparison also makes books seem quaint and their banning naive. Without looking, I feel certain that any of the recipes in The Anarchist's Handbook are available online. Radicalization of religious groups and right-wingers didn't happen through passing around books, but through connected computers. A book is an object that can be banned, and that's why we talk about banning them, whereas banning internet speech is a much different and more difficult thing to do.
You're dealing with inherently paranoid people, many of whom will not seek out such material on the internet because they can be tracked. There is some truth in this. While I was tempted to see if stuff found in the Anarchist Cookbook could be found online, I decided it would be better not to look for it for that very reason. While using the deep web and dark web might yield up better results, there is no guarantee that one isn't being watched there as well. Books, on the other hand, can be bought with cash or ordered off the internet with stolen card numbers. Personally, if I were a far right nut, I would prefer the books to the internet which we are all becoming just a tad too comfy with. Look how many idiots posted their illegal activities on the web with no thought that they would be identified and tracked down. If the material is shut down on the internet, where do you go to get it other than finding the books?
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Harry Marks wrote:This is a good argument for classification of any plans or details for Weapons of Mass Destruction. Bad enough that someone could put LSD in the drinking water.
They could do way worse than that. I had posted such a scenario earlier in the thread. With these angry rightwingers running around now, it seems only a matter of time before something terrible happens. I think something IS going to happen--a dirty bomb, suicide bombers or mass poisoning of the food supply or some such thing. Seeing how easy it was for Qanon kooks and Christian nutbags invade the Capitol, I am amazed that they didn't pull off the plot of kidnap and kill Gretchen Whitmer. I think that sooner of later, they are going to succeed in doing something like this. And they are not going to quit until they do. I fear greatly for our democracy. When they say they want civil war, they will probably succeed in starting one.
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Strictly Legal: Book removal not a ban and not unconstitutional

The court also questioned C.K.-W.’s argument that the district had actually “banned” anything. The court noted, “[t]he District’s policy does not ban the District’s students from reading the books at issue here. Nor does it ban students from acquiring the books or lending the books to others. Students may borrow the books from the public library or from a friend or neighbor. They likewise are free to purchase the books. The policy does not even ban students from bringing the books at issue to the District’s schools. Nor does it ban students from discussing the books at school during their free time or encouraging others to read them. It simply does not ban the books, or anything for that matter. So, the ‘overwrought rhetoric about book banning has no place’ in this case.” Because the district followed its procedure, and there was no obvious viewpoint discrimination, the court denied the injunction. If this case is any indication, the battle against banned books in schools may be an uphill fight.

8/21/22
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/ ... 406554007/
This ruling will probably increase the energy of inspector-activists attempting to remove books they don't like from school libraries. I don't have a problem with some of that; do 2nd graders need a book describing pansexualism and BDSM? But as Litwitlou said above years ago, when this expands to the likes of To Kill A Mockingbird, it goes way too far...
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LanDroid wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:33 pm
The court noted, “[t]he District’s policy does not ban the District’s students from reading the books at issue here. Nor does it ban students from acquiring the books or lending the books to others. Students may borrow the books from the public library or from a friend or neighbor. They likewise are free to purchase the books.
This ruling will probably increase the energy of inspector-activists attempting to remove books they don't like from school libraries. I don't have a problem with some of that; do 2nd graders need a book describing pansexualism and BDSM? But as Litwitlou said above years ago, when this expands to the likes of To Kill A Mockingbird, it goes way too far...
So is the question where to draw the line? Maybe. In my library in high school there was a book of essays which included one arguing that people who are personally horrible but creative geniuses should be supported despite their moral depravity. The case on which this was based was Richard Wagner, who is often boycotted even today for his role in the Nazi glorification of the "Aryan race." That's a long way in spirit from teaching people how to create an anthrax attack.

I would say the point would be more like whether the book is banned, or soft-banned, to protect the reader (in which case, don't) or to protect other people from knowledge in the wrong hands (in which case, mostly do ban, but not to extremes of protection). Secondarily, protection of other people from violence is important, while protecting them from ideas is pretty much not.

And yes, there is such a thing as age-appropriate ideas. A lot of the motivation to home-school children comes from the exposure to sexual and other information inappropriate to their age. The idea that my kid would be made fun of, much less bullied, for not knowing weird stuff about sex or drugs would be enough to set me off, for sure.
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Mr. Marks wrote:The case on which this was based was Richard Wagner, who is often boycotted even today for his role in the Nazi glorification of the "Aryan race."
Well, to be a stickler, since Wagner died in 1883, this is not his fault; the Nazis glorified his earlier work. OK I see Wagner wrote anti-semitic comments, but...ahem...didn't nearly everyone including most Americans up until the early 1960's? IIRC Israel finally allowed an orchestral work by Wagner to be performed about 10 - 20 years ago.
I would say the point would be more like whether the book is banned, or soft-banned, to protect the reader (in which case, don't) or to protect other people from knowledge in the wrong hands (in which case, mostly do ban, but not to extremes of protection).
I agree, but this thread is confusing at times. As a counter-example, DB Roy makes the following complaint / prediction while stating books that detail how to do these things must be accessible to the general public.
DB Roy wrote:With these angry rightwingers running around now, it seems only a matter of time before something terrible happens. I think something IS going to happen--a dirty bomb, suicide bombers or mass poisoning of the food supply or some such thing.
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We are now well past the "hand wringing stage" described above - they're gettin' SERIOUS about banning books now! DeSantis has fired up this high speed train and it's heading out of Florida on a track coast to coast.
The HB 1467 law, which was championed by DeSantis, the state's GOP governor, and passed last March, requires teachers to remove books that do not appear on the state-approved reading list, at least until they are reviewed by an employee with a media specialist certificate.
...Under the "curriculum transparency" law, if non-sanctioned books are found on a classroom's shelves, teachers could face felony charges.

1/31/23
https://www.newsweek.com/video-florida- ... an-1777793
Check the video at the link above. It shows a school library completely stripped of books. They all need to be reviewed by a specialist before they can be put back. No one wants to risk a felony by placing a book there.
Thousands of books in Duval County schools in Florida are subject to review due to three state laws impacting certain subjects in education, including race, gender and sexual orientation, according to county officials.
...A report by the anti-censorship group PEN America claims specific titles under review include books about historical Black and Hispanic figures like Robert Clemente, a Puerto Rican baseball player who became a Major League Baseball icon despite facing racism and segregation in his career.
...A story about Supreme Court Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and the third woman to serve on the court, was also reported to be under review by PEN America.

2/13/23
https://abcnews.go.com/US/thousands-boo ... d=97082518
The Florida Department of Education announced last week that it was rejecting the use of dozens of mathematics textbooks in K-12 public schools throughout the state, ostensibly because they contained content that discussed critical race theory.

4/19/22
https://truthout.org/articles/desantiss ... t-content/
This is spreading beyond Florida and beyond high school, into college curricula.
Ron DeSantis’ academic restrictions show he hopes to change history by censoring it
...On 1 February, these pernicious restrictions on academic freedom spread beyond Florida, when the College Board announced its decision to severely restrict what can and cannot be taught in the newly created advanced placement class in African American studies. Cut from the curriculum (or in some cases made optional) was any discussion of Black Lives Matter, mass incarceration, police brutality, queer Black life and the Black Power movements of the 1960s and 70s. Writers who have been removed from the reading list include bell hooks, Angela Davis and Ta-Nehisi Coates.
...Without being taught to distinguish truth from fiction, without being asked to think, without learning how this country evolved – a history not just of heroism and noble principles but of theft, brutality and crime – our students will be easy prey to every conspiracy theory that comes along. They will find it far more difficult to imagine and implement the important ways in which we hope to become a more equitable, less racist – and better educated – society.

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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... censorship
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Brian Covey, Fired Florida School Teacher, Vows to Expose Ron DeSantis
...Covey told Newsweek that the 6,000 books approved in the district in the past three weeks is just 0.375 percent of the 1.6 million titles that need to be reviewed by a July 1 deadline.

That "means that 99.625 percent of all books in the district are inaccessible to students right now," Covey said. "At the rate that they're currently going, we're looking at over a decade" before the review is over, he added.

Covey is also angry that the media specialists conducting the review were removed from classrooms, taking away another valuable resource from students.

...Covey added: "I'm willing to take the bullet and go through the heat right now because I know my story is the truth. At this point, until my kids have a new normal, I'm just going to keep sharing the story and making sure that people know that this can happen to them."

2/23/2023
https://www.newsweek.com/fired-florida- ... is-1783328
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There were 1,269 documented demands to censor library books and resources in 2022, according to new data released by the American Library Association on Thursday morning. This is the highest number of attempted book bans since the organization began compiling data about censorship in libraries nearly two decades ago, the organization said, and "nearly doubles" the 729 challenges reported in 2021. A record 2,571 "unique titles" were challenged, the association said, a 38% increase from 2021.

"A book challenge is a demand to remove a book from a library's collection so that no one else can read it. Overwhelmingly, we're seeing these challenges come from organized censorship groups that target local library board meetings to demand removal of a long list of books they share on social media," said Deborah Caldwell-Stone, director of ALA's Office for Intellectual Freedom, in the association's news release.

3/23/2023
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/challenges ... port-says/
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Almost every dystopian-themed novel, from “1984″ to “The Handmaid’s Tale,” features a government that controls the spread of information, including the books that are allowed and the wiping of history it doesn’t want told. Today, Florida is looking more and more like a place where these fictional societies are becoming reality.

...What is really on the chopping block, however, are the critical thinking skills of every young Floridian who attends a public school in the Sunshine State.

...As Japanese author Haruki Murakami once stated, “If you only read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking.” I think that’s DeSantis’ whole point.

3/15/2023
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2023/0 ... nk-column/
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https://reboot-foundation.org/
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A federal judge in Texas ruled that at least 12 books removed from public libraries by Llano County officials, many because of their LGBTQ and racial content, must be placed back onto shelves within 24 hours, according to an order filed Thursday.

...Books ordered to return to shelves include “Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents” by Isabel Wilkerson, “They Called Themselves the K.K.K.: The Birth of an American Terrorist Group” by Susan Campbell Bartoletti and “Being Jazz: My Life as a (Transgender) Teen” by Jazz Jennings.

4/1/23
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/01/us/texas ... index.html
Isn't it disturbing to learn some libraries in Texas banned one of the books we discussed here? :furious:
caste-the-origins-of-our-discontents-by ... -f295.html
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