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Politicians have been generally wary of going on "60 Minutes" for fear of exposure by a tough interviewer. Yet Trump shows eagerness to have Bob Woodward visit for 18 interviews? Supposedly, Lindsay Graham urged Trump into the project. Trump must have seen the whole thing as flattering, to be the subject of a book by the most famous political reporter of our era. He must have been confident that he could turn Woodward into an admirer by displaying command of subjects such as the novel corona virus. Did Trump experience any "uh-oh" as he publicly "downplayed" the virus, knowing that Mr. Watergate himself would be telling the world what Trump knew and when he knew it?
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So I would just note that his projection onto Mexican immigrants is glaring for all to see. Pointing the finger and calling them rapists. Huh.

I am Mexican.

This is white liberal bullshit.

Trump did not "call" all Mexicans immigrants rapists. He was referring to the many criminal elements that do in fact make their way across the border (mixed in with good, decent immigrants).
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

He didn't even say illegal immigrants. And he assumes that some Mexicans are good people. He assumes. He's never met a good Mexican but he assumes some are good. Before you weren't supporting Trump. Nobody here believed you. Now shut up, ya fucking dick.
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I have to give Trump more credit. I admit that I thought he was too stupid to know how deadly this pandemic is. Turns out I was wrong. He knew EXACTLY how deadly this pandemic is and then he turned around sold his followers a big, fat dose of covid. And they bought it. Couldn't buy it fast enough.

Problem is, I'm not sure even this is enough to keep him from getting reelected. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of outrage. Hopefully, I'm wrong about that too.
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Biden called Trump an arsonist. And so he is. Gets his kicks lighting social fires.

So when will the Republicans denounce him? When will they denounce his blithe denialism of science, leading to tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of deaths? Leading to trillions of dollars of unnecessary economic losses. No, they want to encourage it. Fan the flames. Drown the floods with more hurricanes. Hold more rallies with people spreading a deadly virus.

No, they want you to believe the real threat comes from people of color. Despite the death toll. More people died in the West Coast fire season this last month than in all the "riots" that came with all the Black Lives Matter protests. Who is the real threat?
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DWill wrote:Did Trump experience any "uh-oh" as he publicly "downplayed" the virus, knowing that Mr. Watergate himself would be telling the world what Trump knew and when he knew it?
Trump gets a lot of leeway from his base and from his Republican enablers. I still think that almost anyone else would be raked over the coals for the things that Trump says and does. He's oblivious to norms and traditions and so gets a free pass from violating them. Indeed, this has been the hallmark of his presidency. As such, I don't think Woodward's book will have as much influence as it should.

But even so, I think Trump's support has slipped below critical mass, and that he will lose this fall. He will make a lot of noise and cry "rigged" and his supporters will gnash their teeth and buy lots of guns, but eventually the noise will subside and we will go back to being a plutocratic democracy, with at least some semblance of democratic norms. "Draining the swamp" is actually a great mantra, but one which both parties need to embrace.
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The corrupt toadying in the Administration plunges right ahead. How many people here heard that the Bolton book had classified material in it? Yup. Of course you did. And you will continue hearing it if you watch Fox News, because they don't let facts get in the way of a good accusation.

Here's the story laid out in longer detail than most of us have any appetite for.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/p ... ocess.html
In a letter filed in court Wednesday, Ellen Knight, the professional who did the pre-publication review with Bolton, accuses the White House of falsely asserting that Bolton revealed classified information, and of retaliating against her when she refused, for reasons she stated carefully and in depth, to go along with an attempt to get her to back them up.

They lied, and then they pressured her to confirm their lie.

It turns out the accusation was by Michael Ellis, an unqualified political appointee who followed his own ignorant impulses and simply compared content to matters that were on a list of things that had been classified. Sounds legit, right? In the world Rudy Giuliani inhabits, that's all that matters. Sounds legit. The problem is the standard used for that list is the one for official government documents, which "pre-emptively classify" material, such as discussions with foreign leaders, which have not actually been reviewed for material that meets the standard of needing to be classified. But Knight and the other professionals who reviewed the book had already followed standard procedure by looking at the more stringent exclusion standards applied to books published outside, relying on whether the material stayed classified, based on real principles.

So the review by Ellis, whose qualification for the job is that he had worked for Devin Nunes, overturned the professional finding and claimed the book was full of still-classified material. Then the Justice Department, carrying this opinion, sued to block publication of the book. Fortunately the judge wasn't convinced. Would you, as a judge, take the Justice Department's word for anything these days? Judge Lamberth refused to censor the book, even though he left the question of its containing classified material for another day.

That should have been enough to pour shame on Ellis, the Justice Department, and the rest of His Messiahship's enablers. But they didn't stop there. Not only was Knight removed from her White House job and shunted back to a former job outside the national security bureaucracy, but they asked her not to communicate with them in writing so that they could deny her finding that the book contained no unclassified material by never officially declaring the pre-publication process to be complete.

The letter also describes the pressure campaign (more than 18 hours of meetings - this is Benghazi all over again, except done in the dark without cameras) by political appointees to get Knight to say she had erred. They challenged her to explain, and she responded with the details. Unfortunately for them she had actually considered the issues and knew the clear and objective reasons for allowing those matters to be published.

When Knight asked the lawyers why they were so insistent on pursuing legal action against Bolton, she speculated that it was because the most powerful man in the world said that it needed to happen. Several registered their agreement with that assessment, according to her letter.

When Adam Schiff pointed out that His Messiahship would continue to put his own political goals ahead of the good of the American public, every person in the room and most of the television viewers knew he was describing the actual situation.
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Now we have the substance of the plans by His Messiahship to steal the election. Sources inside the campaign explain a plan to use electoral confusion to cover state legislators abrogating election results and appointing electors regardless of the vote in their state.

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters ... an/616457/

Now we know why Trump has been seeking more spread of the virus at every turn. Now we know why he lies constantly to claim that the election is going to be illegitimate.

We saw the Republican party refuse to oust him for misusing his power to blackmail an ally into smearing his opponent. We have seen them suppressing democracy at every turn. It's about to get much worse.

We need to rise up against these plutocrats and make clear what kind of system America has.
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The Repubicans had a golden opportunity to avoid disaster for their party. They could have convicted Trump and very probably had 4 more years in power with Pence. But they blew it. The late Sen. Paul Simon said that in politics sometimes you lose when you win, and win when you lose. Republicans think they're going to keep on winning. I don't think the American public is going to reward them for their 'victories.'

Look how being 'exonerated' (not) has emboldened Trump. What reelection will cause this true maniac to do is the stuff of nightmare.
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Now we know why Trump has been seeking more spread of the virus at every turn.
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Yep - the election is going to be illegitimate as more and more issues with mail in balloting are beginning to pop up.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tempora ... d=73251533


Nothing to see here!! Move along!!




Party before principles!


Carry on.
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That incident needs to be investigated, of course. And so the conclusion is that Trump is justified in claiming that if he loses, it will be due to massive fraud with mail-in ballots. That is what die-hard supporters are saying, I guess.
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