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Minneapolis was used as the flash point to attack the U.S. What's being done here, now, was done by the CIA in Tunisia, Egypt, Ukraine and elsewhere. Some call them "Twitter Revolutions." The CIA uses social media to overthrow governments.

Twitter Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Revolution

America's intelligence community and the Washington bureaucracy view Donald Trump as a threat to their existence. And they fear he might win reelection, so he needs to be removed from office. A three-year campaign to paint him as a Russian spy didn't work, and neither did an impeachment, and it looks as if blaming him for a contrived "pandemic" isn't going to work either. So we've moved on to the civil unrest.

The one good thing I see coming out of this is that we've been given a glimpse of what an American Socialist Utopia would be like. There's no way the Left can attract any undecided voters after this. And I don't see how moderate Democrats can continue to support politicians who support mayhem. With luck we'll be able to purge the commies from any real power within a couple of election cycles. Blow them out like yesterday's enchilada.

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ant wrote:Also, I don't think there's a question about what political ideology has influenced the extremists that are running amok now.
The left can't control their Frankenstein monster at the moment.
And leftist leadership has been totally impotent.
Hmm, I've never heard that liberals support looting and anarchy. That doesn't sound very consistent with progressive politics to me.

Indeed, what makes you think political ideology has anything to do with this latest looting? Certainly protests for George Floyd come from the liberal notion of fairness/equity. But I would suspect that looting is something else entirely, influenced by very different psychological motivations. Then again, you seem pretty sure that liberals are to blame for almost everything. Why not this too? It's so black and white—and easy to understand.

Which political ideology is more likely to burn down St John's Church, which is happening at this very moment - far right or far left?

This isn't rocket science, my friend.

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Great news - Historic St John's Church has been saved!
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The only thing I have heard about is expert opinion that these spasms of violence have repeatedly helped the right and hurt liberals.



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St John's Church vandalized and set on fire

[youtube]https://youtu.be/PazyH-95iMk[/youtube]

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DWill wrote:I'm a little taken aback by this epithet "cuck" you're throwing around. But what about the latest killing by police? Is it worthy of mention in terms of racism's legacy?

What about the latest killing?

I think we all were united and appalled by the brutality and inhumanity we all witnessed. This should go without saying. Unless of course you are a sociopath, which I am not.
But it doesn't, and shouldn't, go without saying, because then all that might be heard is the outrage (justified) over those who riot. The root problems get ignored again. So there should be a lot more "saying."
But this has turned into something very different now. The legitimate protesters that want to be heard are being overshadowed by the thugery and anarchy that is currently out of control.
That is unfortunately true, if only because a single picture of looting or destruction has an outsized influence.
Also, I don't think there's a question about what political ideology has influenced the extremists that are running amok now.
The left can't control their Frankenstein monster at the moment.
And leftist leadership has been totally impotent.
This is where I start disagreeing. Connecting a willingness to destroy, and threaten or carry out violence, with such a vague entity as "the left," pins responsibility on that entity. I doubt if those who assign such blame would show consistency when the shoe is on the other foot--when, for example, a gunman spouting far-right extremist talk starts killing. Another version of the same dynamic is the claim that moderate religious believers bear responsibility for extremists who nominally share the same faith, because they don't somehow stop these extremists.
A big part of the problem within law enforcement and these bad apples who show their ugly head every so often is "the code of silence" systemic to the institution. We need good cops to call out bad cops before incidents like this happen. I'm fairly certain this last cop has a history of bad conduct that may or may not have been documented.
When I saw that video the first thing that crossed my mind was wouldn't have it been wonderful if one of the cops that were present would have said "No! Enough! Get the hell off of him or I'm going get you off him myself!"
The next time it happens (and it will) we need a cop that's on the scene to start zero tolerance of police brutality among themselves.
Well put. And of course we seldom find out when if such acts of prevention occur, as I would hope they do occur. Being a cop is a tough, tough job that asks for a fairly unusual blend of qualities. There will be instances where police make mistakes under great pressure, but training and oversight should be able to root out behavior that is more premeditated and actually criminal, such as that committed by the Minn. officer.
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ant wrote:Which political ideology is more likely to burn down St John's Church, which is happening at this very moment - far right or far left?

This isn't rocket science, my friend.
And, yet, the rioting and vandalism taking place across the U.S. is rooted in many causes. Trying to assign blame—to the left or the right—is rather simplistic and not very informative. Sorry.

Certainly ANTIFA is militant, left-wing, anti-fascist political activist movement, but the movement has been widely criticized by both parties. And point in fact, the rioters on the ground are not organized under any one umbrella. There are ANTIFA people out there and there are also right-wing white supremacists. You could make a more salient argument that youth is the driving motivation behind these acts of violence, but that wouldn't be very informative either.
Protests are usually triggered by a social injustice, whether that is an injustice towards an individual or a group. As a protest gets larger, there is an increased chance that there will be a handful of people resorting to violence and destruction. This is just a fact of our society-- there are always a small number of people for which antisocial behavior is the norm.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... ne-rioting

But if you want to blame liberals, go right ahead.
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But if you want to blame liberals, go right ahead.

I will

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... fires.html

Really? Burning down a police headquarters is a justified response?


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Keep denying this anarchist promotion of violence is not a leftist full time hobby
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More justification of violence by the left.

From Mother Jones (undisputed a left wing media outlet)

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justi ... mmer-2020/


liberals are continually whipped up by left wing media and academia to respond violently.
It's not even a disputable accusation..


The political bias that exists in small left wing online community bubbles, and large platforms like Twitter are completely silent on what is taking place throughout the country.
Most may not be condoning the violence but they certainly are not publicly CONDEMNING it either.


PROVE ME WRONG AND CONDEMN LEFT WING MEDIA FOR PUBLISHING THE JUSTIFICATION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST INNOCENTS AS A PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE FOR WHAT ONE STUPID IDIOT COP DID.

I am waiting.
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Attorney General Barr: Antifa Rioters Will Be Treated as Domestic Terrorists
thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/attorney-g ... errorists/

I read that about 20,000 have been arrested nationwide. As domestic terrorists, for starters, they could lose all of their property. The cost of hiring lawyers to win it back would probably be more than the property's worth.

How the USA PATRIOT Act redefines "Domestic Terrorism"
"Section 806 amended the civil asset forfeiture statute to authorize the government to seize and forfeit: all assets, foreign or domestic of any individual, entity, or organization engaged in planning or perpetrating any act of domestic or international terrorism against the United States. ... The government can seize and/or freeze the assets on the mere assertion that there is probable cause to believe that the assets were involved in domestic terrorism. The assets are seized before a person is given a hearing, and often without notice...."
aclu.org/other/how-usa-patriot-act-rede ... -terrorism

The USA PATRIOT Act may be the most egregious piece of federal legislation the country has ever seen. But it's the law, and it might be used now to do some VERY harsh things. The 20,000 in custody could have their citizenship stripped from them. Should they be allowed to keep their citizenship?

Richmond Rioters Torched Home with Children inside Then Blocked Fire Department
thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/pure-evil- ... ent-video/

Minnesota Governor’s Daughter Was Tweeting Out Intel to Violent Looters and Rioters, Just Like Ilhan Omar’s Daughter Isra Hirsi
thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/breaking-e ... sra-hirsi/

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EDIT: Antifa is an umbrella organization with about 30 or so organizations under it. The ACLU comes to mind. I expect the 20,000 rioters had their electronic devices confiscated upon arrest, and law enforcement will now analyze the data to follow the insurrectionists' networks. Under the Patriot Act, SUSPICION of terrorism is enough to trigger arrest. And suspected terrorists have no constitutionally-protected rights. You can be "disappeared," legally, according to the Act. You can be taken to a black-site prison and be subjected to "enhanced interrogation" every day for the rest of your life. And you are not guaranteed a trial. You lose your citizenship and, as a stateless person, you have no rights at all. That's the Patriot Act. We railed against it for ten years after it was passed, but nobody listened. If the Atty General employs the Patriot Act to pursue the rioters, then those cases will not necessarily be tried in open court.
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ant wrote:I think we all were united and appalled by the brutality and inhumanity we all witnessed.
I think so too.
ant wrote:The left can't control their Frankenstein monster at the moment.
And leftist leadership has been totally impotent.
Now that's an interesting idea. So is the right responsible to control Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer, or the Charlottesville marchers, or the guy who used his car to kill Heather Heyer? As far as I know, no lives have been lost as a result of the George Floyd reaction riots. Is the right responsible to stop lynchers? Is the right responsible to stop the police from killing people over minor infractions? That is, in fact, a very interesting proposition. Waco, Idaho, Cliven Bundy? Any nasty character on the right is the responsibility of the entire right?

Doesn't sound too well thought out to me.
ant wrote:A big part of the problem within law enforcement and these bad apples who show their ugly head every so often is "the code of silence" systemic to the institution. We need good cops to call out bad cops before incidents like this happen. I'm fairly certain this last cop has a history of bad conduct that may or may not have been documented.
True, but three of the cops kneeled on Floyd. I'm betting none of the cops had ever practiced de-escalation. The code of silence is there, undoubtedly because no one wants the kind of internal tension that we have seen in the military, with fragging of officers in Vietnam and Edward Gallagher threatening his fellow soldiers over their efforts to restrain his wanton lethality. So what was Trump's response? He reversed the ouster of Gallagher over war crimes.

So how, exactly, is the code of silence going to end if the right wing continues to pose as tough guys and side with war crimes? The same thing has been happening in police forces around the nation. A cop is rarely held responsible for using lethal force out of adrenaline and contempt. The right wing considers killing scary people to be their job, and of course people of color are much scarier than white people. Every white juror knows that.
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