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I completely disagree with your interpretations of Biden's words. He's from an older generation that is perhaps not perfectly in sync with the current zeitgeist of gender,



He's a politician for christ's sake... you'd think he'd find the time to take some cultural sensitivity classes.. They're pretty easy to find.

Speaking of cultural sensitivity, read this:

False claim: Joe Biden pictured with “Grand Wizard” of Ku Klux Klan

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN2103C3

So the claim was debunked.. Robert Byrd was not in fact a Grand Wizard, he was *just* a member and an organizer for the KKK

How do you think a lot of African Americans feel about something like this?
Or are blacks that might find this association repulsive and offensive not really black?



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We really need to get rid of this thread, first of all. The picture of Biden with Robert Byrd, who had renounced his early Klan membership, is supposed to be some kind of shocker?--OMG, how could Biden be seen standing next to another member of the U.S. Senate!

The African-American vote in South Carolina propelled Biden to the status as presumptive nominee. The photo, I feel certain, would have had no influence on that outcome.



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We really need to get rid of this thread, first of all. The picture of Biden with Robert Byrd, who had renounced his early Klan membership, is supposed to be some kind of shocker?--OMG, how could Biden be seen standing next to another member of the U.S. Senate!

The African-American vote in South Carolina propelled Biden to the status as presumptive nominee. The photo, I feel certain, would have had no influence on that outcome.



Yes, lets censor this thread asap.

Anyway..,

The real shocker is why on earth would a racist former KKK member be allowed to continue his public "servant" role and rub elbows with any party, let alone the party that's supposed to abhor racism.


So Amy Cooper (the lady that called the police on a black man that asked her to leash her pet) was accused on social media of being a racist "Trumper"
Turns out she's a liberal

Point? Let's not pretend racism is the trait of one political party.

We have senators with very racist personal histories.

We have racist democratic candidates running for president

And we have racist people who identify as liberal.

Racism is rampant and has no political boundaries. Let's stop pretending or ignoring that fact


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My new favorite campaign statement from Joe Biden: "I'm prepared to say that I have a record of over forty years and that I'm going to beat Joe Biden."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UD2DVLmM4U

And here's a picture from yesterday:

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Does he plan to debate Trump dressed like that? The glasses may be to cover his retracting eyeballs. The man is both physically and mentally decrepit. The Democrats should be charged with elder abuse.


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We really need to get rid of this thread, first of all. The picture of Biden with Robert Byrd, who had renounced his early Klan membership, is supposed to be some kind of shocker?--OMG, how could Biden be seen standing next to another member of the U.S. Senate!

The African-American vote in South Carolina propelled Biden to the status as presumptive nominee. The photo, I feel certain, would have had no influence on that outcome.



Yes, lets censor this thread asap.

I meant that its title isn't at all apropos.

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The real shocker is why on earth would a racist former KKK member be allowed to continue his public "servant" role and rub elbows with any party, let alone the party that's supposed to abhor racism.

You do realize that Robert Byrd was a duly elected member of the Senate from West Virginia, it's longest serving member. You're suggesting that he should have been ousted somehow for belonging to the Klan as a young person? Should all politicians who were racists and then wised up nevertheless be kicked out? I'm not seeing your point.
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So Amy Cooper (the lady that called the police on a black man that asked her to leash her pet) was accused on social media of being a racist "Trumper"
Turns out she's a liberal

Point? Let's not pretend racism is the trait of one political party.

We have senators with very racist personal histories.

We have racist democratic candidates running for president

And we have racist people who identify as liberal.

Racism is rampant and has no political boundaries. Let's stop pretending or ignoring that fact

Still not seeing the point, sorry. You're not saying Biden is a racist, are you?



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You're suggesting that he should have been ousted somehow for belonging to the Klan as a young person?


This question is troublesome... why wouldn't we oust former KKK clansmen from public office?

Do you know how offensive asking if we should would be to a black person? Byrd should not be collaborating with other democrats and should not be excused for being a member of a racist organisation that has a history of horrific violence against african americans.


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You're not saying Biden is a racist, are you?


Yes I am.. Biden is racist. And many black americans took his recent comments about not really being black if some blacks choose not to vote for him as racist.

Are you going to dismiss the black americans that were offended by his comment?

Biden's time has come and gone.. He's from a era that saw nothing wrong with racial inequality. Google it. It's there.
When you add the serious questions surrounding his senility, you have a person that's unfit for the presidency.



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Biden is now blaming Charlamagne for his "you ain't black if you don't vote for me" racist comment.


" He was being a wise guy"

Also, Biden lied about the NAACP endorsing him at any time in his career.


Charlamagne was not being a "wise guy" I saw the interview. This is Joe Biden being condescending with a black man.

How can anyone excuse this behavior as being just the old fashion mannerisms of an older guy?

Who will endorse this man? He is so out of step with the times. His time is long gone.

Unbelievable.




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Biden's time has come and gone.. He's from a era that saw nothing wrong with racial inequality. Google it. It's there.
When you add the serious questions surrounding his senility, you have a person that's unfit for the presidency.


So we have unfit vs. unfitter. Kinda makes you wonder about this democracy business, doesn't it?



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Biden's time has come and gone.. He's from a era that saw nothing wrong with racial inequality. Google it. It's there.
When you add the serious questions surrounding his senility, you have a person that's unfit for the presidency.


So we have unfit vs. unfitter. Kinda makes you wonder about this democracy business, doesn't it?



It makes me wonder how some people sleep at night knowing they support a racist that's nothing more than a more appealing racist at the end of the day.

For those who might want to pigeon hole someone, my choice was Tulsi Gabbard - fresh new face, female (overdue for the presidency), not afraid to call out either side, fresh perspective, person of color.


Biden would be a puppet and I think a lot of people on the left know that.
He certainly isn't qualified, imo.



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You're suggesting that he should have been ousted somehow for belonging to the Klan as a young person?


This question is troublesome... why wouldn't we oust former KKK clansmen from public office?

But are you really troubled by the question, ant? Pardon me, but are you provoked to speak out when unsavory details come up in a non-Democrat's or non-liberal's background? How would you propose to overturn the will of the people anyway?
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Do you know how offensive asking if we should would be to a black person? Byrd should not be collaborating with other democrats and should not be excused for being a member of a racist organisation that has a history of horrific violence against african americans.

I have no brief for the late Robert Byrd. But he was "collaborating" with other Democrats long after that episode in his life. Do you think that people forever lose the chance to redeem themselves?
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You're not saying Biden is a racist, are you?

Yes I am.. Biden is racist. And many black americans took his recent comments about not really being black if some blacks choose not to vote for him as racist.

No, that's not how I understand their reaction to Biden's gaffe. The remark struck them as presumptuous and arrogant. Biden served 8 years under a black president, for pity's sake, and it's that loyalty to a black man that African Americans think is worth rewarding. Biden a racist? Sorry, absurd. You will maneuver to a point where nearly everyone can be called racist, so the charge will have no meaning.
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Are you going to dismiss the black americans that were offended by his comment?

Please demonstrate that they viewed his statement as racist, rather than arrogant and insensitive (not the same as racist).He also apologized for the remark, which usually means something to people who are offended.
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Biden's time has come and gone.. He's from a era that saw nothing wrong with racial inequality. Google it. It's there.

That's just historically inaccurate. Have you heard of LBJ?
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When you add the serious questions surrounding his senility, you have a person that's unfit for the presidency.

Then it'll be survival of the least unfit in November, and by that criterion Biden deserves to win.



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My new favorite campaign statement from Joe Biden: "I'm prepared to say that I have a record of over forty years and that I'm going to beat Joe Biden."


Inconveniently for you, what Biden said was, "I'm going to be Joe Biden". If you cared about the truth, you would have listened to the comment he actually made, and then perhaps even you would not be peddling this particular lie.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... squote-bi/



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Biden served 8 years under a black president, for pity's sake, and it's that loyalty to a black man that African Americans think is worth rewarding. Biden a racist? Sorry, absurd. You will maneuver to a point where nearly everyone can be called racist, so the charge will have no meaning.

Just for the record, I agree with the academics who argue that racism, the system which identifies darker skin (etc.) with lower status, is something all of us are subject to, including people of color. Organized, institutionalized racism may be a thing of the past except in a few fevered minds of the alt-Right, but the system persists in many ways that are entirely unconscious and feel to the participant like just protecting themselves or getting what is due to them. People who cross the street to avoid a group of young black men but will stroll blithely by a group of young white men, people who attribute an outburst by a white girl in class to the individual's personality but attribute an outburst by a Chicana in class to the culture she comes from, and on and on, are perpetuating the system which excludes and marginalizes and deprives people of color.

I agree with your objection to using the term in a way that deprives it of meaning. There needs to be a term for people who buy into the system and use it to make themselves feel better by making someone else feel bad (or getting that person hurt). But it is important to recognize the "background radiation" that so far has no better term for it than racism.
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you'd think he'd find the time to take some cultural sensitivity classes.
Shouldn't we all? And intercultural communication, while we are at it. I have to admit I don't "get" Catholicism, much less Islam, even though I have read a few books on the subject.

In the end I think part of the answer is to stay leery of call-out culture. Nearly everyone has some areas open to criticism, and it doesn't really change anything to make sure we humiliate anyone any time they cross a line into participation in bad systems. It is a good idea to criticize particular behavior, and we can't completely avoid noticing when there is a pattern of offensive and indirectly oppressive behavior. But I don't believe an anti-racist system of survival of the purest will either appeal to most Americans or get the job done.

A good start, as we are all learning, is willingness to apologize for offensive words hastily spoken.



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Post Re: 173 Declared Democratic Presidential Candidates
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It makes me wonder how some people sleep at night knowing they support a racist that's nothing more than a more appealing racist at the end of the day.

I almost think you're pulling our leg with this faux moral outrage bullshit. I'm just not buying it. Biden isn't perfect, but one rhetorical slip doesn't make a person a racist (and neither does a 2008 photo taken with Sen. Robert Byrd). If you want a candidate who will stand for civil and human rights and move our country in a more progressive direction, Biden is a vastly better choice than Donald Trump. You should save your moral outrage to those who continue to support Donald Trump, who has demonstrated time and again that he's dramatically unfit for office.

Edit: Perhaps we should think of the 2020 election as a variation of the trolley problem. You have to make a decision: pull the lever one way and Biden is elected. Pull the lever another way and Trump is elected. There's no time for moral vacillations and useless rationalizations. The clock is ticking . . .

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I suspect that with him it's more a matter of asserting that liberals or Democrats have to, in order to be consistent with what they're always condemning as racist, take Biden as a racist, too. That's what's faux about his outrage. It's not really about Robert Byrd or even Joe Biden, but about nailing liberals as hypocrites. But the material he's usingto do that is very poor stuff.



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My new favorite campaign statement from Joe Biden: "I'm prepared to say that I have a record of over forty years and that I'm going to beat Joe Biden."

Inconveniently for you, what Biden said was, "I'm going to be Joe Biden". If you cared about the truth, you would have listened to the comment he actually made, and then perhaps even you would not be peddling this particular lie.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... squote-bi/

No, sorry, the T at the end of "be" is audible. He says he's going to BEAT Joe Biden. And he might be right.

Perhaps he was rasslin' with his dentures when he made the statement. His uppers almost got the best of him in one of the debates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYlz0UEyncc

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I have to admit that sometimes I have trouble understanding Bidenese. It's not for lack of study though. I've tried to decipher hours of video like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_bVewT4xk

And then there's the issue of Biden's other language--his body language:

Where Are Biden's Boundaries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxDAHJKuho

His handlers saw fit to muzzle him when they let him out of the basement the other day, and I think that's wise. Until America learns Bidenese, we just won't understand the wisdom of ol' Joe.


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